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Olav Sylte, lawyer:

(Europe has spoken / has addressed us)
advokatsylte.no, 6 September 2018


"Ettersom norsk rett i sin drøftelse av hva som var barnets beste, nettopp ikke vurderte skadevirkningen av total splitting og heller ikke muligheten for fremtidig tilbakeføring, anså menneskerettighetsdomstolen inngrepet som en krenkelse av menneskerettighetskonvensjonen artikkel 8."
(Since the Norwegian court treatment has, in its deliberations on what constitutes the child's best interest, not considered the harm of total separation nor the possibility of future reunion, the Court of Human Rights considered the actions as a violation of the human rights convention's Article 8.)

"Norges barnevernminister uttalte for noen dager siden til Dagbladet at hun var stolt, for hun mente at norsk barnevern var best i verden. Hun uttalte også til Aftenposten at Norge ikke ville akseptere korreks utenfra og vil ikke "vike en tomme", og at hun regnet med at andre land etter hvert ville følge etter Norge og vår praktisering av hva som er til barns beste."
(-Norway's children's minister said some days ago to Dagbladet that she was proud, since she held Norwegian child protection to be the best in the world. She also said to Aftenposten that Norway would not accept reprimand from outside and will not "give an inch", and that she counted on other countries by and by following Norway's example and practicing of what is in children's best interest.)

"Dagens avgjørelse viser at i hvert fall ikke menneskerettighetsdomstolen er villig til å følge etter norsk barnevern, og det endatil på et svært sentralt punkt; nemlig betydningen av splitting av familiens bånd."
(Today's decision shows that at least the human rights court is not willing to follow Norway's child protection's example, not even on a very central point, viz the importance of severing the family's bonds.)

"På mange måter slår egentlig dagens avgjørelse bena under på ministeren. Det spørs om [hun] nå er like stolt over sin etat, eller om hun vil akseptere og respektere at resten av Europa har talt."
(In many ways today's decision knocks the Minister off her feet. It is something of a question whether she is now equally proud of her cps agency, or whether she will accept and respect that the rest of Europe has spoken.)
  
  

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The same article as , just with a different title. In Avisa Nordland the article has a comments section, with several sharp comments so far:


Linda Hofstad Helleland, Minister of Children and Equality:

(– Employees in Barnevernet deserve credit and not daily threats for the demanding job they do.)
Avisa Nordland, 14 September 2018

  

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Important article in Aftenposten:


(Expert psychiatrist convicted for downloading of abuse films: The municipalities are asked to consider investigating the child protection cases again)
Barne- og likestillingsdepartementet oppfordrer nå kommunene til å undersøke om dømt psykiater er benyttet som sakkyndig i barnevernssaker og om disse sakene bør vurderes på nytt.
(The Ministry of Children and Equality now asks the municipalities to find out if the convicted psychiatrist has been engaged as an expert in child protection cases and if these cases should be taken up again.)
Aftenposten, 14 september 2018

(The article is also found in the paper issue of Aftenposten, with the somewhat less clear title "Helsetilsynet skal gå inn i psykiaterens gamle saker". (The Board of Health Supervision is to go into the old cases of the psychiatrist))


"Barne- og likestillingsdepartementet (BLD) ber nå Helsetilsynet i samarbeid med fylkesmennene om å sørge for at landets kommuner blir gjort kjent med at mannen i 50-årene er fratatt sin autorisasjon. Samtidig oppfordres kommunene til å undersøke om vedkommende er benyttet som sakkyndig i barnevernssaker, for å se om det foreligger forhold som tilsier at sakene bør vurderes på nytt.
    I oppdragsbrevet fra departementet bes Helsetilsynet om å planlegge og beskrive hvordan fylkesmennene og kommunene skal undersøke og følge opp sakene, «herunder behovet for involvering av de private parter» – som oftest foreldrene i en barnevernssak."

(The Ministry of Children and Equality now asks the Board of Health Supervision, in collaboration with the county governors, to see to it that the country's municipalities are informed of the fact that the man, in his 50s, has had his authorisation annulled. At the same time the municipalities are asked to find out whether this person has been engaged as an expert in child protection cases, in order to see whether there are facts indicating that the cases should be taken up again.)

"Ingen har oversikt over hvor ofte barne- og ungdomspsykiateren ble brukt som sakkyndig av de 295 barnevernstjenestene i landet før 2010, da Barnesakkyndig kommisjon ble opprettet."
(Nobody knows completely how often the child-and-youth psychiatrist was engaged as an expert by the 295 child protection agencies in the country before 2010, when the Expert Commission on Children was established.)

The article also points to the BBC documentary, and links both to the tv version, which is on youtube, and to the BBC's article version.

Aftenposten actually gives rather realistic account of Helleland and the reactions:
"Barne- og likestillingsminister Linda Hofstad Helleland (H) fikk krass kritikk fra flere hold fordi hun avslo å møte BBC-journalisten til et intervju. I et innlegg i Aftenposten forklarte hun avslaget med at hun ikke uttaler seg om enkeltsaker, men også dette fikk hun kritikk for etterpå."
(The Minister of Children and Equality Linda Hofstad Helleland (the Conservative Party) was harshly criticised from several quarters because she refused to meet the BBC journalist for an interview. In an interview in Aftenposten she explained her refusal by saying that she does not comment on individual cases, but this too she was criticised for afterwards.)

Aftenposten is too limited, though, in its reference to the "several suarters". They point to the system's defenders in articles they themselves have published. Still, this article's quality is considerably above most of what Aftenposten usually presents in the way of insight into child protection questions.

And something seems to be moving, even if it is surely against the establishment's wishes that it should do so.

  

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Minister Helleland's article now turns up in two or three typically cps-defending papers. (It the same article that was published and some days ago).


Linda Hofstad Helleland:

(Proud of Barnevernet)
Vårt Land, 18 September 2018

Linda Hofstad Helleland:

(I am proud of Norwegian child protection)
Fædrelandsvennen, 18 September 2018

Linda Hofstad Helleland:

Dagen, 18 September 2018


The state's propaganda machine is at work, then. At the same time, one might ask oneself whether they do not have anything else to bring forward as a defense against criticism which is to a large extent full of detailed knowledge and experience. Could it be because they do not have an actual, concrete defense? Just vague pronouncements about how fine everything is, except for a few individual cases which they do not care to discuss?

  

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The article
The dystopia of the child-protection industry – From Norway to Britain, more kids are being seized from their parents
by Ashley Frawley from 9 August 2018

has the BBC documentary as its starting point. Cf .

  

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