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are enjoying the postings nowadays on the website of the .

The top one is wonderful, ain't it:
"New Norwegian initiative to promote freedom of expression and independent media" (locally we hear day in and day out about how objectionable the protests are against the CPS in the Bodnariu case and generally, and how all of us "attackers" ought to be banned from the internet as trolls and stopped altogether!)

Then a bit further down on the page we have the delightful picture of a crowd of Romanians and Norwegians cooperating, the title being
"Norway and Romania join forces in providing innovative social services for vulnerable families".

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The writer Agrippa on this forum has found a fantastic interview with the Norwegian ambassador to Romania, and has composed her own version of an interview too:

(Exclusive interview with the Norwegian Ambassador in Romania)

Content-wise there is not actually all that much difference between the two interviews!

Here is the original interview:

Observator.tv, 22 January 2016

It is in English, with Romanian texting. The voice of the interviewer is unfortunately not so easy to hear, but the answers make it pretty clear what the questions are.

The Ambassador says, among other things, that Barnevernet is an aid to families; that if there is any suspicion that the conditions in the family are not so good for a child, then Barnevernet will intervene and offer to help and guide the family; she says that what the interviewer thinks of as "transfer of ward" is not so serious but just a help to the family. She herself has four children, she says, so she can confirm that everything regarding child protection, child rearing and help for children in Norway is excellent, and she encourages foreigners to come to Norway with children and experience this for themselves.
    She says that a child always has the right to be heard in its own case, but avoids answering concretely whether a child has the right to go home if it says it wants to – instead she says several times that the decisions are always in the child's best interest.
    She emphasises several times that in Norway we are raised to have full trust in our authorities (correct), which she holds to be good. In Norway, she says, there is no debate about whether there is anything objectionable about Barnevernet, only discussion of whether Barnevernet should intervene in cases earlier than they do. (This is mostly a correct description, but one should then ask why any debate about the very dark side of Barnevernet is lacking in mainstream media, and such reflections are absent from the Ambassador's account.)

The Ambassador's statement is exactly like the official propaganda from Norwegian embassies is around the world. A part of what she says is directly untrue when confronted with the way the Bodnariu family has been treated. – But what can official Norway say?

  

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When the Rumanian-Norwegian family will eventually come to have its case settled by the regional County Board, the Norwegian authorities will demand that the protection of the children`s legal rights is focused upon.

However, eighty to ninety-five percent of the cases brought through the county tribunals end in favor of the CPS. In the case of this family, the local county board is led by lawyer Geir Kjell Andersland, a former regional director of the governmental branch of the CPS, the BUFETAT. He perfectly understands how the CPS is reasoning.

Some of his statements in the national debate on these issues follow:

On care orders: -Typically, in these cases the parents have resisted voluntary measures from the CPS.
-The problem is that the CPS enters the family at too late a stage when the unfortunate development has exploded and only dramatic solutions remain.

On forced measures in the families: - Children in a difficult care situation need help whatever the parents` conception might be.

On reasons for care orders: -Very few cases would have occured if the parents had not failed.

On parents and guilt: -It is cowardly of the same parents and the politicians to blame the CPS for their own failure.

On the CPS and the media: -There are other areas in society today where the critical function of the media is more needed than on CPS-issues.

On ownership of the children: Do the FrP ("Progress Party") and the KrF ("Christian People`s Party") really think that parents own their children?

Apparently, the leader of this county board has few objections to the CPS. Can such a "court" make neutral decisions?

On this matter he says: -The County Board is an independent and impartial court-resembling agency.

The CPS probably agrees, and the statements above could have been statements made by he CPS itself.

But how many families affected regard this tribunal as impartial and independent? The parents fight the battle of their lives in an adminstrative agency, under the very same department as the CPS, and about which questions can obviously be raised concerning attitudes, lack of self criticism and impartiality. But no-one within the system cares.

Up till now, Norwegian authorities have not seen the need of having a decision process and a system that have the trust of the parents. We ourselves fled from Norway as we feared that the County Board`s treatment of our case would not be neutral.

I am sorry to say that parents and children in this case, as well as in all other cases, should hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.


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 A coming revision of the child protection law will not help


An argument from time to time used in favour of Norwegian child protection is that a committee is working on a revision of the law. Now this argument has turned up in the Romanian context too:


European Apostolic Leaders, 16 januar 2016


To this I should like to say: It will become worse. There is nothing to hope for in the planned new legislation. That a committee has been etablished does not mean that our authorities have understood that something is wrong and that they want to put it right. The revision will make Barnevernet even more powerful and reduce the legal protection of families even more. The child protection law is intended to become a "law of children's rights". No great mystery who is going to take care of these rights on behalf of the child.

The only signal of worry that has found its way to the article is a quote from Arild Holta. What he said is very good, even though he expressed himself very moderately! He is more than right that there is nothing in what Trude Haugli says which points to her having understood anything beyond the state-approved surface of the activities of the CPS. The committee will follow the usual path.

  

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An enlightening mail exchange between a concerned Romanian and a journalist in the newspaper Vårt Land

Regarding the Bodnariu case the Christian newspaper Vårt Land is completely hidebound as well as ignorant. But the journlist in this dialogue is also a very typical example of the way Norwegian press generally – with very few exceptions – treats CPS cases. Good thing that the foreigners get to see what we have to struggle with!



agnus dei – english + romanian blod, 29 January 2016

  

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Office Transformational - Youtube, 29 January 2016

This is Jan Åge Torp in Oslo, who among other things is the leader of "The Union of European Apostolic Leaders", with a 5 minutes long, very clear statement (it is in English).

He summarises much of the Norwegian situation, says that some Norwegians are beginning to wake up but not the churches. It is especially valuable the he places the Bodnariu case in a general perspective, and declares that this fight we shall win for the Bodnariu family but also for all the other families who have been senselessly torn apart by Barnevernet.

  

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Jan Simonsen's article "Norwegian Embassy makes gross bluff about Norwegian child protection" has been taken up by Jan-Åge Torp, cf .
Torp has re-published the English version of the article here:
  

Norwegian politician criticizes Barnevernet in Prague Post
Jan Simonsen:

European Apostolic Leaders, 31 January 2016


Here Torp has re-published the Russian translation:

Ян Симонсен:

European Apostolic Leaders, 31 January 2016


And here is the Romanian translation:

Jan Simonsen:

European Apostolic Leaders, 31 January 2016

   

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Norway, Return the Children to Bodnariu Family, 25 January 2016

The interview seems to have been made some time ago, perhaps soon after Christmas?

Marius Bodnariu says clearly, many times, that their lawyer has said that they should not go public, they should "concentrate on solving the case internally". How? Lying low, as if they are hiding something extremely shameful and are lying about their love for their children and their treatment of them?
    An impatient man on the panel lectures Marius Bodnariu, argues that if the CPS people have broken the law, then the Bodnarius should sue the Norwegian state. Etc etc. He has no idea of how Norwegian CPS works in practice, and the Bodnarius' lawyer is apparently well satisfied with the hush-hush system.

All of these opinions and ideas of course lead nowhere. Publicity and pressure are the only factors I see as at all positive. Marius Bodnariu was right to give the interview.

  

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Three articles of 5 February 2016 about the Bodnariu case


The conservative Christian newspaper Norge IDAG (Norway Today) has three articles today regarding the case. Although the very conservative Christians are often more critical of the CPS than Christians of other persuations, these articles appear to be simply straight reporting, without giving any opinion.


(Half a year to evaluate the family)
Norge IDAG, 5 February 2016

"Barnevernet mottok bekymringsmelding fra skolen 8. oktober .... 17. november ble det fattet vedtak om å hente barna."
(The CPS received a communication of worry from the school on 8 October.... On 17 November a decision was made to fetch the children.)

This has been reported earlier, but here it is in writing. The CPS (Barnevernet) have, in other words, known about the possible case for over a month without making contact with the parents? Then the children are taken, suddenly, on an emergency decision.
    This is a fairly usual way of acting on the part of Barnevernet.


"Men systemet har det ikke travelt med å avklare om barna skal tilbakeføres til hjemmet. De kan nemlig ikke starte psykologvurderingen av foreldrene før psykologen har ledig time senere denne måneden. Deretter har psykologen bedt om tre måneder til å vurdere familien.
    Det betyr at det tidligst kan komme en sakkyndig vurdering i mai måned. Foreldrene har foreslått at de selv kan skaffe en psykolog som kan være tilgjengelig tidligere, men dette har barnevernet sagt nei til."

(But the system is not in a hurry to clarify whether the children are to be returned to their home. For they cannot start the psychological evaluation of the parents until the psychologist has time for it, later this month. The psychologist has then asked for three months to evaluate the family.
    That means that the earliest an expert opinion can be completed, will be in the month of May. The parents have suggested that they themselves can get a psychologist who can be available earlier, but the CPS have said no to this.)

This as well as some other things in the article show quite clearly that the CPS and other authorities want to conduct this case the way they usually do in child protection cases. It is business as usual for the CPS to drag out time maximally. Since their ideology preaches that parents are of no importance for children, they are of the opinion that the children are well off as long as they are in "a stimulating milieu" decided on by the CPS themselves. Also, time can be spent on influencing and questioning the children, and on ferreting out other arguments against the parents in addition.
    The CPS prudently say nothing about which psychologist they intend to use. It is more than likely that it will be someone who is well established as an assessment maker for CPS offices.

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(The municipality administrator called up the Pentecostalist movement)
Norge IDAG, 5 February 2016

"I forbindelse med barnevernssaken i Sogn og Fjordane tok rådmannen i den aktuelle kommunen kontakt med pinsebevegelsens lederråd. I etterkant av dette gikk pinseledelsen ut med en uttalelse der de slo fast at barnevernet ikke forfølger kristne.
...... Vi har ikke uttalt oss om selve saken i Sogn og Fjordane. Barnevern kan gjøre feil og dårlig arbeid. Det finnes eksempel på det. Men det vi har uttalt oss om er at det ikke finnes kristendomsforfølgelse i Norge, heller ikke mot pinsevenner. Det sier leder for Pinsebevegelsens Lederråd, Sigmund Kristoffersen til Norge IDAG."

(In connection with the child protection case in Sogn og Fjordane, the municipality administrator in the municipality concerned made contact with the board of leaders of the Pentecostalists [in Norway]. After this, the leader board published a statement which cinfirmed that the CPS do not persecute Christians.
...... We have not expressed any opinion about the case in Sogn og Fjordane itself. The CPS can make mistakes and poor work. There are examples of that. But what we have said something about is that there does not exist any persecution of Christians in Norway, not against Pentecostalists either. This is what the leader of the Leader Board of the Pentecostalists, Sigmund Kristoffersen, says to Norge IDAG.)

So the Pentecostalists in Norway confirm once more (cf , and ) that they continue their "line": They are not interested in Barnevernet's treatment of five children if persecution on the basis of Christianity is not involved. In this, the Pentecostalists place themselves completely in the same camp as nearly all other Christian groups in Norway do. They all repeat and repeat that the attention abroad to the place of religion in the case is misunderstood. Apart from that, Christian groups in Norway are not interested in persecution of children and their families.

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 (The head master refused to cooperate with Barnevernet)
Det var rektor ved barnas skole som sendte bekymringsvarsel til barnevernet i saken. Men da hun forstod at barnevernet hadde tenkt å svare med å ta barna fra foreldrene, reagerte hun sterkt.
(The head master at the children's school was the one to send a report of concern to the CPS in this case. But when she understood that the CPS intended to respond by taking the children away from the parents, she reacted strongly.)
Norge IDAG, 5 februar 2016

Still, the head master does not give any clear statement to the support of the family; she makes no statement at all. One has to question the conduct of school employees who apparently believe that our CPS will react to a notice of concern by having sensible conversations with the parents about whatever the parents might need to correct. The head master should know better. With the strong way the duty to report concern to the CPS is emphasised today and with all the cases of CPS breaking up families as a result, public employees have no excuse not to know. It is of little help that they then will have it that they intended their report to be treated differently.

  

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The article in Bergens Tidende (BT) has also been published by Aftenposten:

Ingunn Røren, Eystein Røssum, Eirik Brekke:

I 22 land verden over demonstrerer titusenvis av mennesker mot norsk barnevern, på grunn av ett vedtak i en bygd på Vestlandet. Hva skjedde etter at fem barn i Naustdal ble tatt fra foreldrene?
(In 22 countries around the world, tens of thousands of people demonstrate against Norwegian child protection services, because of a decision in a district in western Norway.)
Aftenposten, 6 February 2016

The article was also found on a separate website, but it seems to have been hacked so this article has disapprered. Here are some quotes from it the way it was:


"Ingen kunne forutse dramatikken den bekymringsmeldingen skulle utløse. Mange tusen mennesker har de siste ukene deltatt på demonstrasjoner i 22 land, alle med utspring i et vedtak i en spredt bebygd kommune på Vestlandet. Saken er blitt så omfattende og betent at til og med statsminister Erna Solberg har måttet rydde plass i kalenderen for å håndtere den."
(Nobody cound foresee the drama which this report of worry was to trigger. Many thousands of people have over the last weeks taken part in demonstrations in 22 countries, all of them originating in a country district in western Norway. The case has become so comprehensive and touchy that even prime minister Erna Solberg has had to make room on her calendar to handle it.)

That's right, nobody in Norway had expected … In Norway they are used to CPS victims being condemned, threatened to shut up, being despised, and that the prime minister never sends even a thought in their direction. The BT journalists are probably surprised that the population in other nations react with an ethical consciousness which is more intact?

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This is what they mean when they say that Naustdal CPS has been on "the worst-list": "too limited" resources! Now, however, they have additional personnel, so then everything is ok, says head administrator of the municipality Øyvind Band-Olsen:
"I 2014 var Naustdal blant Norges dårligste når det gjaldt ressurser til barnevern, og Fylkesmannen i Sogn og Fjordane var bekymret for kvaliteten på barnevernstjenestene i kommunen. I løpet av det siste halve året har antallet ansatte i barnevernet gått fra tre til fire. Rådmannen mener situasjonen er langt bedre nå.
    - Barnevernet vårt er kompetent, sier han."

(In 2014 Naustdal was among the worst in Norway when it came to resources for child protection, and the County Administrator of Sogn og Fjordane was worried about the quality of the child protection services in the municipality. Over the last sex months the number of employees has gone from three to four. The municipality administrator thinks the situation is far better now.
    – Our CPS is competent, he says.)

So they have time, then, to take children away from their parents and their home in actions totally out of proportion to what may have gode on in the home, and without regard to how this injures the children.

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All the blind enthusiasts for child protection are blind to how the resources are used to destroy. All that interests them is that they believe it is so terrible for the children that pictures of them are published, pictures from happy situations with their parents.
    The authorities have appointed a lawyer and a guardian for the children. Here is what they think:

"… ikke bare er barna skilt fra foreldrene, de er også blitt skilt fra hverandre.
    - Barna blir godt ivaretatt der de er. Ut over det vil jeg ikke kommentere detaljer i saken, sier barnas bistandsadvokat, Sidsel Rustad.
    Men én ting vil hun gjerne si noe om. Som talsperson for de små barna reagerer både hun og barnas setteverge, Per-Atle Holmøyvik, på at bilder av barna spres i sosiale medier. Enkelte nettsteder navngir til og med hvilket barn som skal ha varslet om at barna ble slått hjemme.
    - Det er forferdelig for barna at navnene kommer ut. Barn skal skånes i slike sammenhenger, og det burde alle forstå. De som opponerer mot systemet går ut med navnene for å få fyr på sitt angrep på systemet og barnevernet, uten å tenke over at de bryter barnas personvern, sier Rustad.
    Bistandsadvokaten kommer til å kontakte eksperter for å se om hun kan få gjort noe med bildene av barna som florerer på ulike nettsteder."

(Not only have the children been separated from their parents, they have also been separated from each other.
    – The children are well taken care of where they are. I will not comment on any further details in the case, says the children's appointed lawyer, Sidsel Rustad.
    But there is one thing she wishes to say something about. As a spokesman for the little children she, along with their guardian ad litem Per-Atle Holmøyvik, react against pictures of the children being published on social media. Some websites even tell the name of the child who has supposedly reported that the children are beaten at home.
    – It is terrible for the children that their names get out. Children are to be spared in such circumstances and everybody ought to understand it. Those who oppose the system publish the names to fire up under their attack on the system and the CPS, without thinking of how they offend against the children's right to privacy, says Rustad.
    The children's lawyer is going to contact experts to see if she can have something done about the pictures of the children being spread around on various websites.)


It is, on the contrary, usually a good thing for children to have the support and strength it gives them to know and see that the parents are fighting for them. They have nothing to be ashamed of, nor have the parents. Especially, they have little to apologise for compared to what the CPS and all their allies do which they should be sorry about.

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"BT har vært i kontakt med fembarnsforeldrene. De har uttalt seg til flere rumenske medier, men ønsker ikke å snakke med norsk presse foreløpig."
([The newspaper Bergens Tidende (BT)] has been in touch with the parents of the five children. They have given statements to several Romanian media but do not so far wish to speak to the Norwegian press.)

I am ordinarily in favour of families going out openly, and under their full name. And this what the Bodnariu family does abroad. The Norwegian press, however, can usually be safely ignored, and in this case too: the BT journalists are quite clearly on the side of Norwegian authorities. When the Bodnarius have been met with such good response abroad, it is all the better if they do not bother with Norwegian press people. Few of them contribute to any real analysis of the abuse carried out by Barnevernet.

*

The reactions of people who are more alert morally than most Norwegians are, are perceived as "noise":
"- Støyen utenfra skal ikke få påvirke saksbehandlingen. Det kommunale barnevernets jobb er å sikre barn i hverdagen, og ta vare på sårbare og utsatte barn, sier han. Rådmannen uttaler seg på vegne av barnevernet."
(The noise from outside is not going to influence on the case handling. The task of the municipal child protection is to secure children in their daily lives, and take care of vulnerable and exposed children, he says. The administrative municipal leader speaks on behalf of Barnevernet.)

*

The newspaper people are mostly concerned about the Romanians having misunderstood numbers, and they seem rather self-satisfied and Norwegian:

"Opphisselsen er ikke blitt mindre av at aksjonistene har feiltolket den offisielle, men kompliserte, norske barnevernsstatistikken fullstendig."
(The excitement has not been lessened by actionists having misunderstood official, but complicated, Norwegian child protection statistics completely.)

Well, the numbers are not all that complicated, but perhaps they impress journalists. It is true that Romanians have understood some numbers, but so what? Firstly, the children and parents hit by Barnevernet are not all that few, even if there are not 12,000 new children taken every year but rather about 12,000 children in the "care" of Barnevernet at present. But secondly, independently of this: Is abuse against a few acceptable? Should not every case of abuse be prevented, are the public employees who implement them not to be punished? Should the rule of law only apply if the relevant group is large?

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Staten er full av villedning som vanlig, og journalistene tror visst på den:

"I fjor høst sendte departementet ut et rundskriv som skal hjelpe kommuner som plutselig får ambassadører og verdenspressen på døren."

Ja, det skal hjelpe norske kommuner å tviholde på galskapen, ved igjen og igjen å "forklare" hvordan norsk barnevern "er", og at det bare er som absolutt siste mulighet, når alt annet har feilet, at man tar barna.


*

Solveig Horne er på jordet som vanlig:
"IVARETA RETTSSIKKERHETEN: Som statsråd og politiker kan jeg ikke gå inn i enkeltsaker. Men en av mine viktigste oppgaver er å passe på at rettssikkerheten blir ivaretatt, og å sørge for at de som arbeider med dette feltet har den nødvendige kunnskapen og kompetansen. Vi vet jo at feil kan skje. Derfor må vi sørge for at systemet fungerer, slik at feil blir fanget opp, sier ansvarlig statsråd Solveig Horne."

Hvis man ikke går nøye inn i enkeltsaker, kan man overhode ikke opprettholde noen rettssikkerhet, eller skape den der den ikke finnes.

*

Erna Solberg med den vanlige svadaen:

"- Statsministeren understreket at det gjøres uavhengige evalueringer og at saken er under etterforskning. Hun fortalte også om den assistanse som ytes familier i en slik situasjon, skriver kommunikasjonssjef Trude Måseide ved statsministerens kontor i en e-post."

Uavhengige? Etterforskning? Assistanse?

*

Norsk mentalitet har i sannhet kjørt seg ut. At barna kan få se at familien og andre kjemper for dem, det tror man er skadelig. At de tas vekk fra foreldrene og hjemmet, lengter, men ikke får treffe foreldrene og heller ikke får holde sammen, det tror man ikke skader?
  Det fins ingen grenser for overtro folk lar seg innpode med når hele det norske statlige apparatet pumper det ut som ideologi, forkledt som vitenskap.

  

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Storfamilien:

Norge IDAG, 6 februar 2016

Et åpent brev som er meget bra, til Solveig Horne.

Noe kritikk kan likevel reises mot en del av innholdet i brevet.

Storfamilien bør overveie om de ikke også bør ransake seg selv, når de skriver:
"Helt frem til i november i fjor, hadde vi tiltro til at det norske barnevernet arbeidet til det beste for barna."

Hvorfor har de det? Vet de ikke at det hvert eneste år, hver eneste måned, pågår saker som er like grusomme som den mot familien Bodnariu, til og med verre. Som familien-er-samlet har skrevet i innlegget rett ovenfor mitt her: "Gjennomsnittlig 3 barn som fjernes fra familiene daglig i Norge er uansett et høyt tall." Vet ikke denne storfamilien at også mange av disse familiene har forsøkt å rope i sin nød, men er blitt møtt med uvitenhet, snusfornuft og fordømmelse fra den jevne, "bra" nordmann, om at de nok er dårlige foreldre, ellers kan ikke den bra nordmannen tenke seg at barnevernet ville "gått inn".

La oss prøve å holde fast på at uansett hva foreldre måtte være skyldige i, skal ingen behandles slik som barnevernet behandler både de voksne og barna i Bodnariu-familien. Det skal ikke være "Korsfest! Korsfest!" Barnevernets fiendtlighet overfor foreldre er fullstendig ute av kontakt med virkeligheten og hinsides proporsjonalitet i reaksjonene.

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Dette:
"La det være sagt med en gang, vi vet at de fleste lokale barnevern rundt om i landet gjør et godt arbeid for barn og familier som trenger støtte og hjelp, enten midlertidig eller på permanent basis. Vi vet at noen ganger er det best for barnet å vokse opp i trygge fosterhjem når biologiske foreldre, av forskjellige grunner, ikke lenger er egnet til å ha omsorgen."

er det et forsøk på å godsnakke med Solveig Horne, å liksom gi barnevernet en hel del rett, bare ikke i denne saken? Få ting er så skadelige som å gjøre seg til venns med barnevernsindustrien på den måten. Da fortsetter de sin virksomhet til evig tid, med stadig nye ofre. Og det er jo slett ikke riktig at barnevernet rundt om i landet normalt er bra. Hvordan kan Storfamilien "vite" det, annet enn fra den evig pågående offentlige propagandaen?

*

"Problemet med det norske systemet, når det ikke virker, er at det ser ut til at det er ingen som står over barnevernet. Vi har henvendt oss til både fylkesmann og rådmann, men ingen vil (eller kan) gjøre noen inngripen i enkeltsaker."

Jo da, det er det. Det er politikerne selv som har vedtatt å abdisere, men de kan selvsagt tilbakekalle fullmakter og ta styringen tilbake, hvis de vil og har moralsk mot.

*

"MEN NÅ vet vi også at det finnes lokale barnevern som dessverre enten ikke er kompetente, eller har ressurser nok til å handle til barna og familiens beste."

Kjære Storfamilie, det krever hverken kompetanse eller ressurser å avstå fra slike handlinger som barnevernet i Norge har spesialisert seg på: utilgivelige overgrep, enten foreldre er skyldige i noe eller ikke. Tvert imot får barnevernet altfor mye penger til å gjøre mer av det de gjør allerede.


"Rådmannen i kommunen, som for øvrig er klar over at kommunens barnevern lå på ”verstinglisten” i Norge i 2014…"

Når Naustdal kommune har ligget på en "verstingliste" med sitt barnevern, skyldes det ikke at barnevernet har vært for pågående. Tvert imot: Norske myndigheter er bare opptatt av om de holder tidsfrister og "behandler" alle saker. Her er et svar Bergens Tidendes journalister fikk, og som journalistene øyensynlig godtok:

... rådmann Øyvind Bang-Olsen:
"I 2014 var Naustdal blant Norges dårligste når det gjaldt ressurser til barnevern, og Fylkesmannen i Sogn og Fjordane var bekymret for kvaliteten på barnevernstjenestene i kommunen. I løpet av det siste halve året har antallet ansatte i barnevernet gått fra tre til fire. Rådmannen mener situasjonen er langt bedre nå.
- Barnevernet vårt er kompetent, sier han."

(Lenke .)


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Nå har også Firda tatt inn storfamiliens åpne brev:


Firda, 8 februar 2016


Artikkelen har kommentarfelt.

  
  

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Good information here, about a meeting between the parents and their daughters and about what lies ahead:


Bodnariufamily.org, 7 February 2016

"FINALLY, MARIUS & RUTH MET THE GIRLS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THREE MONTHS FOR ONE HOUR"

"THE IMPACT OF PROTESTS, PHONE CALLS AND LETTERS"
We can now officially confirm: your participation in the protests, letters by the thousands (electronic or regular mail) and phone calls and messages had and still have an enormous impact! Barnevernet knows it and it takes a toll! Thank you and may God reward you all!

This feels good to read:
"We do not forget about all the other families in similar situations as Marius, Ruth and their five children!"

  
  
  

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Adriana Lie:

Jeg og andre rumenere protesterte mot fremstillingen av det norske barnevernet i Romania. Vi ble angrepet som forrædere.
Bergens Tidende, 8 februar 2016


"Jeg er opprørt når jeg ser hvor stor innsats norske myndigheter legger ned i å nå ut på alle nivå til rumenere i Norge og i utlandet med budskapet om at «barnevernet er der for å hjelpe» (barne- og likestillingsminister Solveig Horne)."

Ja, det er ikke tvil om at norske myndigheter arbeider for å "opplyse" rumenere. Spørsmålet er om denne opplysningen er sann, eller om den er villedende. De av oss som har sett barnevernets ødeleggelser over mange år, vet dessverre at myndighetenes versjon av barnevernet ikke er å stole på. Adriana Lie tror ukritisk på propagandaen, og har neppe vært i nærheten av noen av de tragiske sakene.

Det er ikke til å undres på, etter Bergens Tidendes reportasje, som virket svært statsvennlig, at de med glede tar inn leserbrev som dette. Triste greier.
  
  
  

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Daniela Maris:

Supporting #Bodnariufamily!, 8 February 2016


A very reflective and analytical article.

"… the recent one-hour meeting with parents, ... it was also discovered that there was a letter to the parents from the girls that had never been delivered. One of the girls declared: 'I thought you were going to die'."
    The most likely reason for such a thought, is that the CPS has said to the girls "You are going to get new parents."
    They often say this, having no understanding of the cruelty of it.

  

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(Announcing a new protest wave against Norwegian CPS)
UD: Krevende situasjon (The Ministry of Foreign Affairs: A demanding situation)
VG, 9 February 2016


VG is Norway’s largest newspaper.

The article appreared on the internet at 8 pm on the evening of the 9th. A few hours later parts of the article were on NTB (the official telegram bureau) and from there it has been taken up by several newspapers’ websites and will possibly also be in their paper issues.

More or less all publicity is good publicity in this case. The article itself is full of supercilious talk about how impossible it is to get these silly foreigners to understand Norwegian information, because the foreigners have “got it all wrong”. Most of the actual mistakes in argumentation that have come up, like the speculation spread by the Lithuanians that Norway wanted fresh genetic material because of our defects, are repreated. It would probably be a good thing if the leaders of the Romanian movement against Barnevernet let go of every speculation about strange motives and every exaggeration of the number of children taken, and so on, and concentrated on the inhumanity of taking children in this way regardless of circumstances and motives.

"– Vi har forsøkt å komme ut med faktainformasjon om hvordan det norske barnevernet fungerer og hvilket regelverk de jobber etter. Det er ingen enkel jobb, så lenge kampanjen baserer seg på en argumentasjon der fakta fordreies med vilje, sier kommunikasjonssjef Frode Andersen."
(We have tried to get out information about how Norwegian CPS works and what the rules and laws are that they work under. That is no easy task, as long as the campaign is based on argumentation in which facts are misrepresented deliberately, says the Foreign Ministry's communications representative Frode Andersen.)

A comment on facebook from a Norwegian CPS opponent which bears on this (given here by mermission):
"UD synes det er "krevende" å (bort)forklare internasjonal presse hvordan det norske barnevernsystemet egentlig fungerer..? Uten å ha gått inn i enkeltsaker og sjekket hva som egentlig foregår i dette supperådet som kalles "barnevern", uten å ha gått inn i denne spesielle saken.
    De vet ingenting om hva som er alminnelig praksis i barnevernet - de bare lister opp "dagens tekst" fra Bld, Barneombudet og Bufdir - om hva loven sier, hvordan det skal fungere, krydret med sutring om hvor vanskelig det er å overbevise folk om at dette er barnets beste.
De skal slite lenge for å bli trodd på en løgn."

(The Foreign Ministry finds it "demanding" to explain (away) to the international press how Norwegian CPS really functions…? Without having looked into single cases checking what is going on in this Mickey Mouse outfit called "Barnevern" – child protection, and without having looked into this particular case.
     They know nothing about what common practice in the CPS is like – they just list declarative statements from the Ministry of Children, from the Children's Ombudsman, the Directorate under the Ministry – statements about what the law prescribes, how this is supposed to function, spiced with whining about how difficult it is to convince people of all this serving the best interest of the child.
    They are going to toil for a long time to be believed on a lie.)

  
  

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Good, sharp articles:


Vaisamar:

Vaisamar, 21 January 2016

"Please note that I undertake to criticize an organization which, although professing to do good, resembles the proverbial elephant in the china shop and inflicts greater abuses and traumas than those it claims to prevent or remedy. As C. S. Lewis used to say, “there is, in fact, a fatal tendency in all human activities for the means to encroach upon the very ends which they were intended to serve.” Moreover, that Barnevernet is sworn to secrecy (“confidentiality” in legal terms) does not do much to allay the mistrust of protesters."



Delight in Truth:

Delight in Truth, 11 February 2016

"… we had Hillary Clinton …. say: “it takes a village to raise a child.” It does not take a village, and it does not take a state to raise a child. It takes a family to raise a child. Foster families in Norway are mercenaries of the state. They are paid 50,000 euros per child, per year to simulate being a parent. No parental love, no parental care, no parental attachment. This is Barnevernet’s idea of raising a child."

"Barnevernet has taken a breastfeeding infant from his mother’s breast at the age of 3 months. Nowhere in the history of the brutal Romanian communism have we heard of such a crime. This is unacceptable in any era, in any society, and in any culture."

  

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