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The charge has been published quite widely in Malaysia:


New Straits Times, 10 February 2014


The Sun Daily, 10 February 2014


Astro Awani, 10 February 2014


The Star, 10 February 2014


Malaysian Digest, 10 February 2014


The Malay Mail, 10 February 2014


World Now & KSWO, 10 February 2014


abc News, 10 February 2014

  
  

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An earlier article, about the relatives' struggle to bring the children home:
 

The Sun Daily, 2 February 2014

  

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Channels News Asia, 11 February 2014

A Malaysian couple were charged on Monday in a Stockholm court with assaulting one of their children in 2012.

"The defence has problems with the way the police interviewed the children, the way they used leading questions," he (defense lawyer Stahre) told AFP.

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New Straits Times, 11 February 2014

Not greatly changed from The Star's article of the day before:

The Star, 11 February 2014

  (Malaysian couple charged with child abuse)
svt, 10 February 2014
Kammaråklagare Anna Arnell: - Min bedömning är att jag kommer att yrka på en frihetsberövande påföljd. (Prosecuting attorney: - My assessment is that I will go for a prison sentence.)


MY sinchew, 11 February 2014
In KOTA BHARU, the couple's family members said they were resigned to the Swedish court's decision.
… The four children … their aunt, Shaleena Norshal, …. said the children were saddened to hear the latest news on their parents but were comforted by their relatives.



Astro Awani, 12 February 2014


Astro Awani, 12 February 2014


asia one, 12 February 2014

  

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By Zan Azlee
Astro Awani, 12 February 2014


My comment to this article would be that Mr Zan Azlee has probably become frightened, and has started to forget that the question of the way the Swedish child protective services treat children is in no way negligible.

If the parents are guilty, should we for that reason condone Sweden's having isolated the children in a foster home, refusing to let their relatives from Malaysia see them, interrogating them for hours apparently using leading questions, making it necessary for Malaysia's deputy foreign minister and prime minister to "ask nicely" if the children might please be allowed to go to their own relations or at least to a Muslim family, making it necessary for the deputy foreign minister to travel all the way to Sweden? If Swedish authorities have questioned the children for hours expecting answers which fit in with Swedish views on parents, what will the children believe about their own role in what happens to the family, and is that acceptable?

What happens to children, what is done to children, when "welfare" states "protect" them - that remains the central question. It is frequently forgotten, though, in discussions about the parents, now also among some Malaysian journalists.

Mr Azlee assures his readers that Astro Awani has done research. That he is not all that well informed and has scarcely done anything that could be called real research, is evident from his trust that the truth will necessarily emerge through the coming court case in Sweden. Superficiality is seen right away from some details in what he writes, like his confusion of the European Court of Human Rights with the European Parliament. The parliament he talks about must be that of the European Union. It has nothing to do with the Court, which is an institution under the Council of Europe - to which several nations belong which are not members of the EU, and which was established many years before the EU existed. Both the parliament of the EU and the European Court of Human Rights are located in Strasbourg in France, maybe that is why Azlee thinks they are the same.

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New Straits Times, 13 February 2014


Astro Awani, 13 February 2014
  


Astro Awani, 14 February 2014
The title of this article seems slightly misleading, because it could indicate that Swedish authorities would, instead of putting a prison sentence into effect, deport the couple at once. Defense lawyer Kristofer Stahre, however, says that they "will be deported back home if found guilty, only after serving their terms in prison".

  

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Here we go - anybody could have guessed it and those of us who have 'seen Swedish CPS cases before' had perhaps quite a suspicion of it (SukaGuam = Malaysian Volunteer Lawyers Association):

"Saying the children's earlier statement could be challenged, he claimed that it was possibly made under duress or they were persuaded to believe their parents would be freed if they did so."


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New Straits Times, 15 February 2014

"Khairul added that SukaGuam hoped to convince the Swedish court to obtain the latest statements from the children by sending their representative to Malaysia.
"The children show no signs of abuse, there are no bruises or broken bones. There are no emotional issues either and they're prepared to help defend their parents," he said."


The suggestion of the Swedish court sending a representative to question the children in Malaysia is very good. But, recalling that Sweden har for years now refused to send someone to England to question Julian Assange but insist on having him extradited to Sweden, in a very questionable case about alleged rape, one can forsee that the Swedes will probably be most unwilling to go to Malaysia and conduct their questioning of the children there, questioning in which they do not hold any power over the children and can neither keep them in isolation under force for unlimited time or ask in exactly the way they want. There would be wide awake Malaysian government representatives present at the questioning, probably. That would hardly suit the Swedes. - Well, seeing is believing.



The Star, 15 februar 2014

Early statement of engagement by Umno Youth and SukaGuam:

The Malay Mail, 20 januar 2014

  
  

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I am not in favour of spanking children. However, here is a possibly relevant point of view – grabbed from the facebook page , which in its turn seems to have got it from one Roslina Abu Bakar:

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My parents spanked me as a child

As a result I now suffer from a psychological condition known as
"Respect for Others"

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Marianne Haslev Skanland / Skånland:

Free Malaysia Today, 17 February 2014


The Star, 16 February 2014


Astro Awani, 17 February 2014
"Stahre said he will work towards creating a reasonable doubt seeing the large amount of material and evidence that consist of basically the four children’s story.
Stahre also said there are no direct witnesses that have seen any abuse from his client or her husband.."

Somebody certainly ought to get a competent criminologist, e.g. Leif GW Persson, to tell the court clearly about the number of false admissions and confessions in court cases around the world - certainly in Sweden. Let us hope Stahre does something about it.


Astro Awani, 15 February 2014

  -  Video included, with English speech and texting
ntv7 News, 16 February 2014
Two of the children are interviewed. They speak excellent English (are clearly well educated), and say that they long for their parents, beg them to come home soon, and are sorry for having been naughty.
(The Swedish authorities are the ones who have been "naughty", the children have very likely just been what most children are: at times in natural opposition to their parents about something or other.)


The Rakyat Post, 10? / 17? February 2014


Free Malaysia Today, 17 February 2014
The interviewed person here thinks (just like the child protection personnel always say) that the children's rights must be protected through limiting, as much as possible, the information that is made public. For myself (MHS), I disagree - the children too are best served by open publicising of what they say and what they wish. Silence and anonymity will only increase the power of the Swedish prosecution and the Swedish social services and all their helpers to strengthen their allegations against the parents for having offended and damaged their children. Full openness and publicity are probably the only forces which stands a reasonable chance of curbing Swedish traditions of child protection in this case.

  

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  -  Video included, of an interview with the head of the state-governed Tourism Malaysia. He speaks in Malay; there are English subtitles.
 -  A lawyer has been engaged to monitor the court case on behalf of Tourism Malaysia and the Malaysian government.
Astro Awani, 18 February 2014

A web page fighting abuse committed by child protection organisations has found this and put in a link to it:

Legally kidnapped, 17 February 2014


The Star, 18 February 2014
The boy of 12 has written a letter, which was read aloud by the mother's defense counsel in court today.


Astro Awani, 18 February 2014
"This was then followed by a reading of compensation claims by the children’s lawyer, where they are claiming between 50,000 krona and 62, 000 krona (around (around RM25,000 to RM50,000)."
In other words, Swedish authorities have appointed a lawyer for the children, one who - as is usual in Swedish child protection cases - treats the children and the parents as adversaries, and who through compensation claims confirms the picture painted by the authorities: that the parents have seriously abused and more or less terrorised the children.


New Straits Times, 18 February 2014
"The couple were led into the court in handcuffs."

(The unexpected support of the parents in the court)
Aftonbladet, 18 February 2014
   It may of course be unexpected in Sweden that anyone shows the least bit of spine up against the Swedish social dictatorship and their favourite activity of exploding families. Here, too, we have a lawyer acting for two of the children, who expresses himself in this way!: "– Jag tycker man hade kunnat undvika att ha elva personer på plats. Det kan faktiskt påverka situationen i rättssalen, med tanke på vittnesförhör och liknande, säger Johan Kallus, som är advokat för två av barnen." (I think one could have avoided having all of eleven persons present. It can of course affect the situation in the court room, in view of witness testimony etcetera, says Johan Kallus, who represents two of the children.)
   Oh yes, of course, he probably means the state's witnesses, and the state's witnesses must be shown the greatest possible consideration. The parents, on the other hand, were led into the court room handcuffed! We are used to something like this in Norway too: In child protection related cases the child protection officers and their helpers are always the martyrs who must be considered, and parents are the ones to be belittled. In fact, I think precisely this kind of behaviour on the part of the state and their helpers may be a sign that the state does not have all than much in the way of real proof to present? Of course they are not used to being required to present real proof, they are used to win their cases against families because they "represent the unrivalled welfare state".
   Maybe Malaysians put family lover higher than the Swedes do?

  

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Astro Awani, 19 February 2014
"According to Stahre, the method of questioning by the investigating officer was unprofessional and if it were done in court in front of a judge, it would almost definitely be disallowed. The insistent and repetitive questioning also showed desperation in getting desired answers."


New Straits Times, 19 februar 2014


The Star, 19 februar 2014
  

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The Star, 20 February 2014


Astro Awani, 19 February 2014


Astro Awani, 20 February 2014

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Astro Awani, 20 February 2014

The reporter Zan Azlee goes on about objectivity, but his own reporting has omitted two or three important points since the charges against the parents were published: He seems to take it almost for granted that everything claimed in the charges is true and exactly as the state says, he believes that the court procedures will inevitably arrive at the truth (the usual result in child protection cases is precisely the opposite), and he apparently forgets the principle of proportionality. To this last issue: The prosecution holds that the parents have severely violated their children's integrity, and the reporter forgets to measure this against how Swedish authorities have themselves treated these children (and thousands of other children they have deprived of their families, allegedly in the "child's best interest").

  –  The reporter is not alone in this: The attention has now drifted back to questions of child raising and to the parents; the "children's integrity" is difficult to spot in all the video filming and the repeated questioning.
  –  Yes indeed, the media should take sides in a court case: They should energetically search for truth and connection that give meaning and insight, and put aside their belief in their own quick "techniques" and in any automatic justice emerging through the procedures of a Scandinavian court case.


("Det føltes som om det kom blod ut av bena mine," sa Azizul og Shalwati's eldste sønn)
Astro Awani, 21 February 2014


Astro Awani, 21 February 2014
  

The Star, 21 februar 2014

Samling av flere artikler:

The Star, 20 januar – 21 februar 2014

  

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Dag Sverre Aamodt:

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The Malaysian Insider, 23 February 2014


The Malay Mail Online, 19 February 2014


Malaysian Digest, 22 February 2014


The Star, 21 February 2014

This article formulates very interesting questions about the Swedish foster home system and "the best interest of the child":

quranicgen, 11 February 2014
  
   

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The Star, 24 February 2014


The Star, 24 February 2014


Asia One, 25 February 2014

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