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A long article in Czech, translates reasonably well by Google Translate. The writer has interviewed Benjamin Larsen and Børge Njå, apparently "experts" in Oslo Municipality, and lets them come with the old, well-known assertions that children are only taken from parents as a last resort, that Barnevernet has so much help to offer and cooperate with parents in order to guide them, etc etc. The case of Eva Michaláková is only just mentioned, and the journalist lets the interviewed say that it is very rare for siblings to be separated, that Norway places great emphasis on biological ties, and that they do not know this particular case.

It is not clear what the purpose of this article is at this time – except to further strengthen Norway's propaganda in the Czech Republic.

Zdeňka Trachtová:
(Norwegian Experts: The child is not the parents' property. Removing it is a last resort.)
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This article concerns some recent developments in Eva Michaláková's case.

Zdechovský (KDU-ČSL):

(The District Court in Hodonín halted the proceedings for Michalak's children for the second time)
Listy.cz, 21 June 2017


Google Translate gives a clear text in English, and I hope I have not misunderstood:

It seems that in addition to trying to fight the confiscation of the boys in Norway and also bringing the case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, Mrs Michaáková's lawyers are also trying to obtain a judgment in a Czech court, a judgment saying that the sons are to be with their mother.
    This seems a very logical and wise thing to do. Especially since Norway has implemented , which Norway will use to force children whose parents have fled Norway with them, back to a life in foster care or adoption in Norway, other countries are very sensible to demand the children of their citizens back.
    But the Czech court in this case has apparently stopped the court procedure, claiming that they cannot proceed because the children are abroad and Eva Michaláková cannot tell the court their address!
    So when Norwegian authorities take foreigners' children and keep them at secret addresses, then Czech legislation (or the interpretation of it) cannot do anything?
    Mrs Michaláková's lawyers and helpers do not agree!

  

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The case in which Eva Michaláková demands her children back will return to the district court in Hodonin.


Parlamentní Listy.cz, 9 desember 2017

  

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From the speech of Norway's former ambassador to the Czech Republic Siri Sletner at a seminar in Oslo


On 22 October 2018, the Norwegian government Ministry of Children and Equality held a seminar about supposed misunderstandings abroad about the Norwegian CPS Barnevernet. The seminar was announced to be critical and include critics of Barnevernet, but there were very few of the latter (an exception being ). Rather, the seminar seemed aimed at persuading foreign media that they should look at Barnevernet in the 'right way', i.e in the government's way.

The Minister of Children and Equality, Linda Hofstad Helleland, was present at the seminar, joining in the applause after each speech, including that of Siri Sletner.


(Seminar about Norwegian child protection seen with international eyes)

Ambassador Sletner's speech of course expressed completely the position of the Norwegian government, down to detail. Anybody who believes that official Norway has any understanding at all for families broken up and destroyed by Barnevernet, should listen carefully to what former ambassador Sletner says here, and realise that this is the government speaking.
    Her speech took place at 28:25 – 41:11 in the government's video of the seminar:


(The translations are mine, not official from the government. MHS)


29:30
"At the outstart in 2011 and forwards, the mother rejected any contact with Barnevernet. But after a while a contact between Barnevernet and the mother developed, but parallel [with this] she obtained contact with some what I will call ardent souls in Czechia, who grabbed the case for varying reasons, and these also had varying backgrounds. And they established a support group for the mother."

33:26
"The majority in Czech society were either indifferent or surprised at what was heard from Norway. But those who protested, the support group for the mother, were, however, very loud and were given much space in the media. This has indeed been both a media campaign and also a civic action. They collected money in order to assist the mother with help of a lawyer from Czechia.
    Many members of the support group for the mother were the mothers and fathers of small children, who reacted emotionally to propaganda against Barnevernet, and conscious – what I call misinformation about the case from people who had different aims. The populists in the first phase got a lot of latitude, .. "


Right from the beginning of her speech, then, Sletner seems to put blame on the mother in the case, Eva Michaláková, and people supporting her – as indeed the Norwegian authorities have done all along. They have blamed her for trying to get her sons back, have blamed her for trying to get supporting publicity in Czechia, have heaped contempt on Czechs supporting her and showing her sympathy and have called them 'populists' for trying to collect money to help her get legal assistance from Czechia.


30:01
"Quite factually, what happened? Naturally enough, when this reached the media, the first target became the embassy and myself. I was then, at regular intervals, three months after I had taken up my position in 2014, called twice to the foreign minister, once to the prime minister, once to the president, and once to the country's number 2, the president of the Senate. The major purpose was to tell us that the bilateral relationship was very bad."

Sletner seems most of all concerned about herself as a kind of martyr, and about the Norwegian government being 'misunderstood'.


32:05
"Of course there was a correspondence between Czechia's prime minister and our prime minister, and between the president and the king. And there was also a meeting between our two countries' prime ministers, it lasted twelve minutes and was only about child protection. As was natural, I had several meetings with the support group to explain how we looked at it from the Norwegian side.
    All of this had my message in common, it was that I presented Norwegian Barnevern in a general, superordinate way. We are of course not going to go into individual cases."


The usual way Norway's authorities present themselves as 'superordinately' logical and in the right. They simply demand to be believed without ever giving chapter and verse, without having to account for what they do in practice.


35:07
"The tabloids quickly pounced on the case, of course, and in – I have to say – post-communist Czechia, the respect for press ethics is still being developed. For several leading media businesses/publications, many of them I'd say under severe economic pressure – they saw a possibility of increased circulation as a first priority, and then objectivity was usually sacrificed."
Perhaps 'incredible impertinence' is the best description of the Norwegian attitude to the Czech press? We remember that our Norwegian press is, with very few exceptions, heavily subsidised by the state. Every newspaper editor around our country is nevertheless quite concerned about their circulation.
    But it goes deeper than impertinence. The extent to which Norway's official representative in Czechia tries to have everybody look down on the host country's 'developing press ethics' and take for granted that Norwegian newspapers are without question objective and of course have top class ethics, is stunning!

35:45
"The main problem is of course a heavyweight such as president Zeman, but also less prominent but equally unscrupulous politicians, who used the case cynically as an issue with the voters. We got the last example now in the election to the senate: She who is the leader of the support group she just managed to get in with a majority of five votes."
Surely a rather supercilious 'analysis' of Czech politics and the motives and reasoning of Czech politicians?


36:18
"- - eh - who don't understand the issue, or that they have a Christian-traditional outlook on life.
    The president, the first in Czechia's history who was voted in directly, from the first – of course fought to be re-elected, and he used this as part of his election campaign. He talked of "the fight for our boys in Norway", said that Barnevernet is a modern edition of the German Lebensborn and, of course, Norway's ambassador was not welcome at the national day celebration, was de-invited, together with a press release. And in that way this worked very efficiently in the media."

  

37:04
"After a while it has gained more nuance. It was of considerable help that one of Czechia's foremost child psychologists in a newspaper interview emphasised that Barnevernet in Norway probably had good reasons for their reaction. It is also typical: the mother, her support group, just gave an account of the one side of the case. Positive reactions also came when a group of Czech women living in Norway wrote an article together in which they defended Barnevernet. Since the case has a strong, nationalistic undertone, it was important that just these persons were of Czech origin.
Other nations who object to Norwegian CPS's treatment of their people in Norway, are regularly accused of being nationalistic, most of all if they claim that their own country really has some arrangements or legislation which is better than that of Norway.
    We should perhaps, however, contemplate what kind of nationalism Norway has furnished itself with. It is found in all kinds of areas, but not least regarding Barnevernet, as indeed demonstrated by Sletner's own speech here! (A distraction: I am reminded of a humorous ditty, composed some 30-40 years ago, when our oil wealth was new: (Norway is what is good). Unfortunately, it hits the nail on the head.)

37:45
"After the last judgment in the district court, when Czech media had finally taken the trouble of being present, the Norwegian judge communicated easily and in an organised way with the media, and the indirect message was that we stand fully and wholely behind the Norwegian justice system."
'Taken the trouble' – – Norway's representative praising the 'easy and organised' communication of a Norwegian judge, contemptuous of Czech media.


38:01
"So after four years with tabloid headlines and articles and populistic moves, general broadcasters like Czech tv and radio, with more press-ethical ambitions, reacted and have made corrections when the embassy has pointed out mistakes which have been broadcast. So we also sense more of a focus on Czech child cases, in that violence against children has become a more general theme in social debate. So it is of use to oppose what is said. Czechs generally have faith in the Norwegian justice system, and they have previously during this case asked for clear reactions from the Norwegian government. It has not helped that I, as a representative of the Norwegian government, have come out with statements.
    So there is of course greater understanding that these are complex, and not black-and-white questions. But it slightly depends on generational differences. Younger Czechs look westward and follow up better."

The 'objective' Norwegians 'pointing out mistakes' – the Czechs being 'populistic' but some of them having 'more press-ethical ambitions' ...
  

38:50
"Last of all: What should we learn from this? We must not - - when such cases turn up, we must not wait too long. Norwegian authorities must then get active quickly. We must have a more offensive dialogue. We must be - - when I say "we" I mean everything from Barnevernet's local office and upwards, be willing to meet the opponent, let us say Czech press, and talk with them. Refusing meetings leads nowhere, it just makes the case worse. One must be available. And I should like to give one small flower to Bufdir. Because they have in fact been active early towards the embassy and helped us in a very good way.
    And now that the Hague Convention has fallen into place – and you are responsible for that, of course – in fact a lot can be done very early. We must remember that any such debate, it is not about facts, it is not about explaining clearly how Norwegian Barnevern functions, it is only about emotions."


Only about emotions? And emotions making the factual content irrelevant? Emotions supposedly hinder people from understanding how Norwegian Barnevern works?

Her mention of the Hague Convention is indeed ominous, and signals the way Norway intends to use it: as an extra tool to reach out into other countries and dictate to families there, too, either how children should live there (not with their families, but in orphanages or foster families supervised from Norway by our Barnevern still, or that the children should be forcibly 'repatriated' to Norway, to similar living conditions here). Cf


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So the opinion of official Norway is that when Barnevernet destroys families, to have and to show emotions is to be irresponsible, to childishly fail to understand facts. At the same time, the authorities claim the privilege of not going into any concrete facts.

We should perhaps rather think that not to have any emotions about such ill-treatment of a mother and her two boys shows a dangerous misunderstanding of what life is about.

And this is in fact the road that Norway follows in these cases. For parents, or anybody else, to show desperate unhappiness, fear, longing, upset at the tragedy of children being taken away from their parents without any necessary reason, is interpreted by Norwegian authorities to be illogical, unbalanced, despicable, immature – so that official Norway must "correct" them by "explain[ing] how we looked at it from the Norwegian side", "present[ing] Norwegian Barnevern in a general, superordinate way", and of course "not going to go into individual cases", but telling them that "Barnevernet in Norway probably had good reasons for their reaction". Probably? Trusting in Barnevernet's authority without going into the individual case concretely?

A mechanised hell is what Sletner portrays, a kind of slave existence where the slaves are to be despised and punished for showing despair at the way they and their companions are being treated.

Honour to the Czech support group and the Czech politicians who show natural, positive feelings of alarm at the abuse vented on one of their compatriots!
  
   

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of the political party Svobodní has written a comment on Sletner's speech at the above seminar, and has also provided a translation into English:

Petr Mach:
"Bývalá norská velvyslankyně v ČR Siri Sletnerová, která je už zpět v Norsku, se na semináři norského Ministerstva pro děti a rovnost nevybíravě opřela do paní senátorky Jitka Chalánková a dalších politiků, kteří se zastávali paní Michalákové proti Barnevertu, který jí děti nespravedlivě odebral a přerozdělil do náhradních rodin. Podle Sletnerové všichni, kdo se zastávali Evy Michalákové a jejího práva starat se o své děti, byli bezohlední cyničtí nacionalističtí politici, kterým šlo jen o zviditelnění. Chalánkové se posmívá, že „byla nyní zvolena o pět hlasů“. Naši zemi popisuje jako zpátečnickou a naše média, která jí nešla na ruku, jako neetická a postkomunistická. Paní bývalá velvyslankyně je zřejmě frustrovaná z toho, že česká veřejnost stála na straně Evy Michalákové a volá do budoucna po „lepším PR“ ze strany Norska v ČR. Neuznává ani náznakem, že jejich organizace Barnevernet může dělat zásadní chyby. Z jejího projevu čiší taková arogance a nenávist k české společnosti, že kdyby byla i dnes velvyslankyní, museli bychom žádat její odvolání. Projev bývalé norské velvyslankyně je děsivý – není v něm ani náznak jejího zájmu o pocity matky a osud jejích dětí, je tam jen úřednická umanutá obhajoba norské státní moci a opovrhování českým prostředím. Je dobře, že tato paní, která pro nás nemohla být partnerem, je z naší země pryč."
Petr Mach, on facebook, 8 November 2018
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English translation, by the author:
The former Norwegian ambassador to the Czech Republic, Siri Sletner, who is back in Norway now, attacked Mrs. Senator Jitka Chalánková and other Czech politicians who supported Mrs. Michalakova against Barnevernet, which unjustly took children from her and put them to foster families. According to Sletner, all those who advocated Eva Michalakova and her right to care for her children, were ruthless cynical nationalist politicians, who were just trying to gain voters on the case. She mocks Chalánkova for being now elected with just a "majority of five votes". Mrs. Sletner describes our country as backward, and our media as unethical. The former ambassador is apparently frustrated that the Czech public was on the side of Eva Michalakova and calls for a "better PR" in the future from Norway in the Czech Republic. She has not recognized any problem with Barnevernet. Her speech shows only arrogance and hatred against Czech society, so that if she were still today the ambassador, we would have to expel her as persona non grata. The speech of the former Norwegian Ambassador is terrifying - there is no sign of her interest in the mother's feelings and in the fate of her children, there is only a formal devoted defense of Norwegian state power and a contempt for the Czech people. We can be happy that this lady, who could not be a partner for us, does not serve in the Czech republic any more.


Petr Mach's previous very positive efforts in the Michaláková case are referred to
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