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Jan Simonsen with three more articles:

(It is so heart-rending that it is almost unbearable)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 27 February 2016

(No to harassment of good families)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 28 February 2016

(Together for the first time in three months)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 29 February 2016

  

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(Jan Aage Torp interviews Jan Simonsen)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 28 March 2016

The interview on video covers several different topics. The part about Norwegian child protection runs from 21:42 to 30:00. The coming demonstrations on 16 April are mentioned at 27:25.

  
Translations are by MH Skånland:

"This has made a lot of stir and unrest around the world, and it is high time that Norwegian politicians take it in and understand that this criticism has a reason, and that they do something about it."

"Last year, this case was taken up by parliament in the Czech Republic, which passed a resolution about what Norwegian child protection ought to be like. It was very good and Norwegian parliamentary representatives should indeed just copy it."

"Oh yes, there is no doubt that it has by and by started to put pressure on Norwegian Barnevernet and on Norwegian authorities. But it took a long time. So we must only hope that the pressure leads to more than talk, that it leads to action – at least that there will be some instruction from the Minister to Barnevernet about not executing emergency decisions without any previous investigation, and that they should act the way they – untruthfully – claim that they do, that is only to take children away from the parents when there is care failure, violence or sexual abuse.
    Because that is the answer which journalists from abroad get when they call Barnevernet. Barnevernet always says: we cannot go into individual cases, because there is an obligation to be silent, but children are only taken as an absolutely last resort.
    And that, of course, is indirectly a harsh attack on the family which has lost its child. Indirectly one says that there has been very serious care failure and violence. But it turns out in reality that that is untrue. Because most children are taken from their parents if there is what they call a lack of parental ability."

"The Minister must take an active part, must say clearly to Barnevernet that their practice must be that which they claim it to be."


  

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There is a judgment from the District Court that the youngest, baby Ezekiel, should go home to his parents!

Barnevernet says in a news article that they have not decided yet whether to appeal or not. (Some sources say the municipality has decided not to appeal against this decision, although Barnevernet is known to appeal practically any decision which goes against them.) But this time they at least do not seem to have obtained a staying order, since what we see in this picture must be an 8 months old boy, not a 3 months old. So the picture is not from before he was taken, it is new, Ezekiel is home already.


Delight in Truth, 6 April 2016

  

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Fully texted version of the above-mentioned video with Jan-Aage Torp and Jan Simonsen:


10 April 2016



Jan-Aage Torp interviews Jan Simonsen
about Barnevern



This video interview is in Norwegian, with texting in English. Translation by Marianne Skånland.


Evgeni Dyakonov, 10 April 2016

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is 30 minutes long, covering several different topics, video by Henning Lunde, produced for Restoration Oslokirken.no, published 27 March 2016.

The part about Barnevern is reproduced here by the generous permission of Jan-Aage Torp.

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The interview part about Barnevernet:


Jan-Aage Torp:

We have talked about Barnevernet – the Norwegian child protection system.
And you live part of the year in the Czech Republic, where a strong focus has been on Norway and our system of child protection. How did this situation arise from the Czech side?


Jan Simonsen:

It started with a case concerning a Czech mother. At first there were both a mother and a father, but they are divorced now. The case started when a kindergarten nanny thought that one of their two sons had said that his father had touched him on his pyjamas, on the outside.

The result was that the two sons were taken from their parents immediately, in a so-called emergency decision, and placed with foster parents.

The there was an investigation carried out by the police, and it showed that this was not true. Nothing untoward had happened.

But the mother - who was by then divorced - did not get her children back, they were kept by the foster parents.

And a decision was passed: The mother was allowed to meet her two sons twice a year, for half an hour each time. But she was not allowed to hug them, nor to speak with them in Czech.


Torp:

Is it true?


Simonsen:

Oh yes, because they are not supposed to attach themselves to their mother again, they are to be attached to the foster parents. That is the current way of thinking.

But the grandparents came on Czech tv telling the story about this. The Grandfather misses his grandchildren terribly, of course. And it caused enormous reactions, it was all over the tv channels for a long time.

And then the journalists started investigating and showing an interest in Norwegian Barnevernet, and the politicians did too.

Then the case was taken up by the Czech National Assembly, which has passed a resolution; the Czech president has spoken in very strong condemnation, saying Barnevernet is a Nazi system; the prime minister has addressed Norway. The case has also been taken up by the Human Rights Committee of the European Parliament; there have been large demonstrations against Norway outside the Norwegian Embassy on several occasions.

Today many Czechs associate two things only with Norway: whaling and Barnevern. "Barnevern" has become a term of abuse, really. It is no longer translated into English, you see, people do not talk of a "child protective system" or anything like that, they just talk of "Barnevernet". Both in Czech and in English.


Torp:

So Norwegian "Barnevern" has become a term of insult?


Simonsen:

Yes, in Czechia, and now in Romania, and soon all over the world, it seems. For there was a sequel:

A Romanian family up in Naustdal lost their children in an emergency decision last November, on a suspicion that they had been spanked. And this was a very devoted family, a decent, Christian family. All who have voiced an opinion, relatives, friends, acquaintances of this couple, praise them highly, saying they have been such a harmonious family.

And afterwards, on the two occations when the parents have been allowed to meet their children, the children have cried and been deeply unhappy, and have wanted to go back to their parents.

It is easy to understand: Almost six months have passed, waiting for the case to come up before the court. Think how painful this has been for the family, not least how traumatic and destructive for the children already, even if – I believe, or at least I hope – the parents win in court.

Anyway, this case has led to very large demonstrations against Norwegian Barnevern in Romania and the rest of the world. In January - February, all in all some 70,000 people demonstrated against Barnevernet in 40 different cities. It is fantastic.

I took part in the demonstration and gave a talk outside the Norwegian Embassy in Prague. We called out, "Shame on Norway! Shame on Norway!" Then the procession went to the building where the distribution of Norwegian EU contributions is handled. There they shouted, "Keep your money! Keep your money!"

Altogether, then, this has made a lot of stir and unrest around the world, and it is high time that Norwegian politicians take it in and understand that this criticism has a reason, and that they must do something about it.


Torp:

You mentioned high officials and politicians who have spoken about it and you mentioned the comprehensive demonstrations. But I know that you also focus on work in the parliamentary sector, on an international level? Can you say something more about that?


Simonsen:

Last year, this case was taken up by Parliament in the Czech Republic, which passed a resolution about what Norwegian child protection ought to be like. It was very good and Norwegian parliamentary representatives should indeed just copy it!

Then, a Czech Christian-Democrat member of the EU parliament took it up, in collaboration with another parliament member from a party which could be described as a sister party of the Norwegian Progress Party.

They have since coordinated a group of parlamentarians in the EU parliament who have a group coordinating action. This matter has been up before the European Parliament at least twice, and each time there has been some support from parliamentarians from many countries.

So here we have an established system, a body which facilitates action. New demonstrations are coming: On 16 April there will be demonstrations in 10 different time zones all around the world. It is hoped, then, by the arrangers, that there will be over 100,000 people out on the streets to demonstrate against Norway.


Torp:

This simply gives hope that your contribution in international political work will lead somewhere?


Simonsen:

There is no doubt that all this has by and by started to put pressure on Norwegian Barnevernet and on Norwegian authorities. But it took a long time.

So we must hope that the pressure leads to more than talk, that it leads to action – at least that there will be some instruction from the Minister to Barnevernet about not executing emergency decisions without any previous investigation, and that they should act the way they – untruthfully – claim that they do, that is: only take children away from their parents when there is grave care failure, violence or sexual abuse.

Because that is the answer which journalists from abroad get when they call Barnevernet. Barnevernet always says: We cannot go into individual cases, because there is an obligation to be silent, but children are only taken as an absolutely last resort.

And that, of course, is indirectly a harsh attack on the family which has lost its child. Indirectly they say that there has been very serious care failure, and violence. But in reality it turns out that that is untrue. Because most children are taken from their parents if there is what they call a lack of parental ability.

And that is a subjective assessment made by some Barnevern bureaucrat or other, who believes that the mother does not have good enough eye contact with the child when Barnevernet has been visiting, or she seems nervous or something - often used arguments. So it simply isn't true.

Now, then, the Minister must take an active part, must say clearly to Barnevernet that their practice must be that which they claim it to be.


Torp:

As I have said so many times in the programs: I am happy to meet people who have opinions, and who want them to lead somewhere.

And I can really say about Jan Simonsen: This is a man who is willing to do something, to find constructive ways, to stand with people even when they have been beaten down, and help them get up.

So it has been a pleasure to meet you again, Jan Simonsen. I look forward to the next report from you.

On this note we conclude yet another edition of "The real world" with Jan-Aage Torp, here on Miracle Revival Channel.

God bless you! Until we meet again: All the best!


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BBC has a really fine article today, and there will be a tv program on Friday or Saturday:


Tim Whewell, BBC News:

BBC Magazine, 14 april 2016


Note: Scroll well down the page, because the Bodnariu case is not the only one to be described.

In a debate on the internet the article is said to be the seventh most read on BBC today. That is not bad at all!

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There is also a section about radio and tv programs:

Norway: Parents against the state
• Listen to Tim Whewell's radio report for Crossing Continents at 11:00 on Thursday 14 April on Radio 4 or catch up afterwards on the iPlayer
• The programme can also be heard on Assignment on the BBC World Service - click here for transmission times
• Tim Whewell's television report for Our World can be seen this weekend on BBC World - click here for transmission times
• Viewers in the UK can watch Our World on the BBC News Channel at 04:30 on Saturday or catch up afterwards on the iPlayer


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The BBC article is briefly analysed here:


Delight in Truth, 13 April 2016

(This comment is dated the thirteenth, while the BBC article is dated the fourteenth. This is because Delight in Truth is edited in California, which is 8 hours behind Britain.)

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An article from Vienna, in German:

(The Bodnariu case)
Katholische Nachrichten, 6 Mai 2016


The article writers, though, place Austria on the well-known high horse: They believe nothing like that could happen in their country:

"In Österreich wäre so ein Fall undenkbar. Vorrangiges Ziel für die Sozialarbeiter ist es, mit der Familie zusammenzuarbeiten, gemeinsam Lösungen zu suchen. Ziel ist es immer, wenn nur irgendwie möglich, die Kinder bei ihren Eltern zu belassen."
(Such a case would be unthinkable in Austria. The primary goal for a social-worker is to colaborate with the family seeking an agreed solution. It is always the aim, whenever in any way possible, to keep the children with their parents.)


Here is an article from 2012 about an Austrian case, however:


Mail Online, 6 February 2012

"But authorities have still not reunited mother and son, despite the fact Heidi quickly paid off the debt.
   Distraught Ann-Kathrin, 18, now has even missed her child's first steps and understands he is with his second foster family, while social workers process the case."


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There is also the serious case from 2006 in which Human Rights found Austria to have violated Article 8 of the Convention:




  

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"One hundred lawyers, law professors, and European parliamentarians have jointly petitioned the Norwegian government to reunite a family whose five children were seized in November by social services because of their Christian upbringing and allegations of physical abuse."

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An agreement has been made between the family and Barnevernet, that all 5 children are to go home!

(Norwegian-Romanian parents get their children back)
nrk Norge, 3 June 2016


Jan Simonsen was able to write about it extremely quickly:
(The pressure got too great for Barnevernet)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blog, 3 June 2016


This is wonderful for the children, who have been kept away from their parents for more than 6 months, without being told anything sensible about it.
   Since this agreement going for the children being taken home has come now, during the course of the deliberations in the County Committee or right afterwards, the only reasonable interpretation is that the County Committee has put pressure on Barnevernet, and that Barnevernet has be uncertain of whether they would be able to get their way in their claim that all five children should be put in lasting foster care, and has therefore gone for a compromise. Simonsen is of the same opinion.
   The agreement includes Barnevernet going into the home with their "aid measures". Such actions are rarely good and quite often harmful and a stress on the family. But with all the publicity this case has received, it is perhaps unlikely that Barnevernet will behave in an all too clearly unreasonable way.

Congratulations to the family Bodnariu!

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To our particular joy, we have also gained good friends abroad. Here is what Chris Reimers in Arkansas writes:
" on the thousands of others who have been treated as poorly and worse than this family. Many have been waiting for years for news the Bodnariu’s received today. It does not come because there is no light shed on their cases. I, for one, will not rest until every family gets treated fairly. Now the focus is on the thousands of others who have been treated as poorly and worse than this family. Many have been waiting for years for news the Bodnariu’s received today. It does not come because there is no light shed on their cases. I, for one, will not rest until every family gets treated fairly."
And he is writing a letter to Solveig Horne, in which he among other things wants to say the following:
". I know because I will organize it. All of the signs but one we have we can reuse because they had the BV name on them and not the Bodnariu name as some of us had foresight. My goal will be to have more people at the next protest in my town than we had in April. I hope to have better media coverage. I will have more time to plan it than I did the previous one. I will pick a date for this protest in the next few months.
   'Why am I going to do this?' some may ask. My response will be: 'The Bodnariu family was one of thousands and we must not forget those thousands who have been treated just like the Bodnarius. One family has been freed but a system that denies human rights and due process to families continues to operate as if nothing has happened. I cannot be silent.'
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Bodnariufamily.org, 3 June 2016


"The Naustdal Municipality of Norway has come to terms with Marius & Ruth Bodnariu for the return home of all of their five (5) children."

"We thank you all for your love, support, prayers, and active participation in the reunification of this family. May God richly bless you and repay you for all you have done to bring this family back together."

" “Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!” Revelation 7:12
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Very clear article highlighting important facts:


Jayme Metzgar:

The Bodnariu family’s ordeal ends, but advocates vow to keep fighting for reforms.
The Federalist, 6 June 2016


"According to a lawyer for the family, this outcome was reached after four days of hearings before the five-person county board. On the fourth day, the board encouraged lawyers for both sides to come to a settlement, but they were initially unable to do so. Finally, on Friday, Barnevernet got the hint that the board would likely rule against them. They agreed to drop the case, relinquishing their object of keeping the Bodnariu children in foster care until adulthood."

"Another advocate for the family gives little credit to the Norwegian government for the outcome of this case. “I am relieved to hear that this nightmare will be over for Marius, Ruth, and their children,” said Mike Donnelly, director of global outreach for Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), a homeschooling and parental rights advocacy group. “But the fact that it took months of international protests to influence Norwegian authorities to release the children—after they had decided to permanently remove them—is evidence of a serious problem in the Norwegian CPS system.” "

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"Ardelean said he has no intention of letting the matter rest now that the Bodnariu family is reunited, noting “the system is still producing victims.” He and his allies will keep fighting for reforms. “We should be always vigilant,” he said, “and keep sacred the human rights, freedoms, and values in our democratic societies.”
   Donnelly echoed the call for vigilance, and not only in Europe. “Regrettably, Norway is not alone,” he said. “Most western countries have CPS systems that are growing into bureaucracies that refuse to respect the family as the basic unit of society. Too many governments are too willing to traumatize children and families over minor disagreements.” "


For these people to have realised so clearly that this happens all over the Western world, is extremely welcome news. This is what we need in order to get the whole work moving in the right direction of having our countries put a stop to types of child protection which do the opposite of protecting children.

  
  

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Official statement:

Bodnariufamily.org, 14 June 2016

  
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The newspaper Norge IDAG (Norway today) has been far more alert than the rest of Norwegian press regarding the Bodnariu case. Here is a good summary:

Bjarte Ystebø, assistant editor and web editor:
(Full victory for the Naustdal family)
Norge IDAG, 8 June 2016


Particularly important and right:
"For det første bør de vurdere en erstatningssak mot Naustdal kommune. En økonomisk kompensasjon kan gi familien muligheter til å ta fri fra jobb, reise eller gjøre andre ting som kan hjelpe dem i tiden som kommer. En erstatningsdom ville også virke avskrekkende på andre kommuner som kunne være fristet til å velge samme tilnærming. Ingen familier bør oppleve at en tynt begrunnet akuttsak fører til en seks måneders lang uthalingskrig med et barnevern som ikke tar menneskelige hensyn.
    Det andre er at familiens historie bør bli bok. Det er fortsatt mye ved denne saken som ikke har nådd offentligheten. Noe av det bør fortsatt være beskyttet, men noe hører hjemme i den offentlige samtalen om barnevern. Det er også en del som har uttalt seg offentlig om denne saken på sviktende grunnlag. De har bidratt til å vri historien i foreldrenes disfavør. Den historien må rettes opp."

(First, a compensation claim against Naustdal Municipality should be considered. Economic compensation could give the family the possibility to take leave from work, travel, or do something else which may help them in the time to come. A judgment supporting a compensation claim would also discourage other municipalities tempted to choose the same approach. No families should experience that a thinly supported acute takeover of care leads to six months long war of delaying tactics, a war with a child protection service without human considerations.
    The other is that the story should be published as a book. There is still much about this case which has not reached the general public. Some of it should still be kept protected, but some belongs in the public dialogue about child protection. Some have also argued publicly about this case on an unsound basis. They have contributed to the twisting the story to the disadvantage of the family. It is a story which must be put right.)
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Only now is the criminal case investigation complete


It arrives in the middle of the court holidays:

(Parents in Naustdal completely investigated)
NAUSTDAL: Politiet er ferdig med å etterforske sak om familievald i Naustdal.
(Naustdal: The police have completed the investigation of a case regarding family violence in Naustdal.)
Firda, 8 July 2016

"Straffesaker og barnevernssaker har ikkje samanheng. Det kan difor bli tatt ut tiltale sjølv om borna er leverte tilbake.
   Politiet kan ikkje seie noko om kva konklusjon dei har trekt, men kan seie at saka er overlevert Statsadvokaten i Møre og Romsdal og Sogn og Fjordane for vurdering."

(Criminal cases and child protection cases are not joined. Therefore there may be a criminal charge even if the children have been handed back.
The police can not say anything about which conclusion they have drawn, but can say that the case has been forwarded to the Public Prosecutor in Møre og Romsdal and Sogn og Fjordane for consideration.)

  

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Here is some news in Romanian about the Bodnariu family having gone abroad on holiday:


agnus dei – english + romanian blog, 13 July 2016


Here in Czech, the article also mentioning Natasha and Erik:

Tisková zpráva (Press release):

Tiskovky.info, 13 July 2016

    

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