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Lithuanian boy? – unclear news reports

Today 26 January 2015 a news item on the radio and on text-tv is that a boy 7 years old has disappeared from Molde (on the west coast, north of Bergen, south-west of Trondheim). Several police units, plus people from the Red Cross and others are searching very hard for him.

At first we are told that his mother was the one to report him missing. Then in a later news bulletin it says that he "was on an outing with a representative of the CPS" (the child protective service), and that he went missing when he went to the toilet. After a while it is now stated that one believes him to be "kidnapped", but it is not said by whom. Now it is also revealed that the boy is Lithuanian.

At present the case seems unclear. But it would be like Norwegian authorities to give out only unclear communications when children in CPS care flee or are saved from the CPS's grip, so it is quite possible that this is a planned rescue operation from the family or others.

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At long last there is a report on the internet also.

Sjuåring savnet i Molde (7-year-old missing in Molde)
Gutten forsvant klokken 16, da han var på bowling sammen med en barnevernsansatt. Politiet utelukker ikke at gutten er bortført mot sin vilje. (The boy disappeared at 4 pm, when he was at a bowling hall together with a CPS employee. The police do not exclude the possibility that the boy has been abducted against his will.)

The press contact of the police says that a custody transfer (obviously to the CPS) was in the process of going through. The police keep repeating that he might have been abducted against his will, and do not mention the possibility that he might NOT have been adverse to get away from the CPS and to his own family - - Norwegian authorities babble so much "new speak" in CPS matters.

Here:
Frykter sjuåringen er kidnappet (Fear the seven-year-old has been kidnapped)
nrk Møre og Romsdal, 26 January 2015

it is stated that the police have alerted all border posts etc, so they might as well stop pretending they are not first and foremost after the boy's family.

  

  

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27 January 2015, 9.30 a.m.

The boy has not been located in Norway


The boy has not been found. The intensive search in the town of Molde was terminated last night. The police now believe that he has been "kidnapped", possibly been taken out of Norway already. They have alerted the Crime Force and Interpol and put out an international alert.

There was a short news item about the case on tv at 9 a.m. It included a photo of the boy, no doubt to make Norwegians look out for him and report to the police. They also gave his name – Gabrielius Bumbulis.

The news report said he had been visiting the bowling hall together with his mother plus an CPS representative. That, together with a previous report that a custody transfer was in the process of going through, sounds like the boy has been in CPS custody on an "emergency order" and then the mother has been allowed "visitation" on this outing.

The chief of police in Molde still repeated that they "feared" that he was "kidnapped against his will". The police "will not comment whether they have an inkling of who is behind a possible abduction".

When the police say they believe he may already be out of the country, that means he very likely is, otherwise I think they would be more eager still to turn the Norwegian population into detectives in order to catch him.

The news report is in a whole lot of newspapers now, from north to south. The press is seldom equally interested in the way families are devastated by the CPS, but plenty interested in helping our authorities in getting the boy back from his family?


Politiet etterlyser savnet sjuåring internasjonalt (The police have put out an alert for a missing seven-year-old internationally)
Troms Folkeblad, 27 January 2015

Politiet etterlyser savnet sjuåring internasjonalt
Framtid i nord, 27 January 2015

Politiet etterlyser savnet sjuåring internasjonalt
Bergens Tidende, 27 January 2015

Politiet etterlyser savnet gutt internasjonalt
Stavanger Aftenblad, 27 January 2015

Litauisk sjuåring kidnappet fra bowlinghall (Lithuanian seven-year-old kidnapped from bowling-hall)
StavangerAvisen, 27 January 2015

Savnet gutt i Molde (7) fryktes kidnappet (Missing boy in Molde (7) is feared kidnapped)
Fædrelandsvennen, 27 January 2015

Gutt savnet i Molde (Boy missing in Molde)
Klar Tale, 27 January 2015

Politiet etterlyser savnet gutt internasjonalt
abc nyheter, 27 January 2015


Locally:

Sjekker bil i samband med savnet gutt (Checking car in connection with missing boy)
nrk Møre og Romsdal, 27 January 2015

The boy had left the bowling hall in his bowling shoes and without an overcoat. It is relatively cold in Molde now, especially last night.

The mother is said to be living in Eide, while the boy "is living with a foster family in Rauma". The police are uncertain about where the father is living. The mother is "being taken care of" by health personnel and police.

The police confirm that they have received tips which they are now checking.

A German-registered Audi is said to have driven against the lights into the Øksendals-tunnel. Encountering people working in the tunnel, it turned around abruptly, driving towards Nesset, a neighbouring municipality of Molde.

  

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27 January 2015, 3 pm:


Videoopptak viser at savnet sjuåring følges til en bil (Videofilming shows the missing sevenyear-old to be accompanied to a car)
Politiet er svært sikre på at gutten er bortført. (The police are very certain that the boy has been abducted.)
Dagbladet, 27 januar 2015


- Første forsvinning i sitt slag her (First disappearance of its kind here)
Den mulige bortføringen av sjuåringen fra Molde Bowling mandag ettermiddag er den første i sitt slag i Nordmøre og Romsdal. (The possible abduction of the seven-year-old from Molde Bowling on Monday afternoon is the first of its kind in the northern part of the country Møre and Romsdal.)
Romsdals Budstikke, 27 January 2015

"Mer sentrale deler av Norge har hatt flere saker der barn av utenlandsk opprinnelse har blitt bortført under samvær med sine biologiske foreldre de siste årene." (More central parts of Norway have had a number of cases in which children of foreign origin have been abducted during visitation with their biological parents the last few years.)


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Politiet etterlyser savnet sjuåring internasjonalt (The police have put out an international alert for a missing seven-year-old.)
Dagen, 27 January 2015

"150 people took part in the search for the boy on Monday night. Nordmøre and Romsdal police district were assisted by Norsk Folkehjelp, the Civil Defense, rescue dogs and volunteers" ….
    "– We are in the process of contacting several family members to obtain information, but have not been able to contact the boy's father, says the police's press representative Alf Stormo to NTB (Norwegian news service)." ….
    "The police have obtained video recordings from surveillance cameras, but they have so far not given any answer to the question of what has happened.
    A tip about a boy answering to the the description, on a plane from Molde, has been checked out. On Monday there was also an observation of a German-registered car driving against a red light in the Øksendals tunnel and then turning around abruptly."


Incredible activity to stop a child from being with his mother. She has had a visitation with her son monitored by the CPS. All of this could have been avoided if the harmful taking of children by the CPS had been delegated to Atlantis.

  

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27 January 2015, later:


Unfortunately, the boy has been found, and taken by the police, apparently in Norway. The article says this was accomplished through close cooperation between the police and the child protection service (CPS).

Savnet sjuåring funnet i god behold (Missing seven-year-old found safe and sound)
Bergensavisen (BA), 27 January 2015 at 6:46 pm

He is said to be living with a foster family at a secret address, a typical sign that the CPS are afraid that parents or others will try to contact him and possibly take him away from the CPS.

The article also says that the mother has not been willing to be questioned by the police. She nevertheless does not have status as charged with a crime.

The police say they will conduct a large investigation to find out "if anything criminal has taken place and if so, who has taken part".

So, no doubt they will still use huge resources on investigations and processes to keep the CPS in their almighty position, in addition to having had 150 people search the town for the boy, plus police all over the country and international police forces too.

Foreigners who still believe they can do as they like regarding their children and that they themselves can decide how their children are to be treated and brought up, had better wake up. How many such cases do they have to see before they face reality? Many CPS victims, both Norwegians and others, argue that "the system shouldn't be like that". Quite right, but they are in the middle of the system as it is. They cannot argue their way out of it.

  

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Some articles following the capture of the boy are fairly interesting, in their implications and in many details which reveal how Norway carries out such cases. They are from Molde and the neighbourhood:

a)
Politimesteren: - Det er fortsatt svært mange ubesvarte spørsmål (The chief of police: – There are still very many unanswered questions)
Den savnede eidegutten er funnet i god behold. (The missing boy from Eide has been found and is all right.)
Tidens Krav, 27 January 2015

b)
- Nå har vi fullt fokus på guttens beste (Now we focus fully on what is best for the boy)
Det har vært to lange dager for barnevernsleder, Yngve Brakstad Cappelen. (These have been two long days for the leader of the child protection service, Yngve Brakstad)
Romsdals Budstikke, 27 January 2015

c)
– Ikke grunnlag for straffesak (No basis for a criminal case)
Mora er fortsatt siktet for falsk forklaring, men siktelsen av en mann for bortføring, vil falle bort. (The mother is still charged with making false statements to the police, but the charge against a man for abduction will be dropped.)
Romsdals Budstikke, 29 January 2015

  

3 February 2015:

The whole sequence of events and statements show clearly that which many ignorant Norwegians do not want to take in and which foreigners often refuse to believe.


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It is not stated in these articles but has been mentioned in a news report (as far as I remember on the radio or on tv) that the boy was found by 'international cooperation'. When the boy was planned by the 'abductors' to be taken from Norway to Lithuania, that makes it almost certain that the international police force apprehending the boy was Swedish. This is confirmed here:

News reports from Lithuania in Russian

quick translation here:
Posting in thread "Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State"


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The boy was handed over by the Swedish police to the Norwegian police. This is also stated in the above News reports from Lithuania, although the Norwegian police and CPS in the three articles above would not answer the question of where he is now.

To those of us who know the Norwegian and Swedish CPS and the other authorities of the two countries, this is obviously what would happen. From the report from Lithuania we understand that the Lithuanian embassies in Sweden and Norway have demanded that the boy be handed over to Lithuania, and that they are flabbergasted that the Swedes have sent him back to Norway and very upset for the boy and his family.
    Gabrielius' mother has been ignorant: in the News reports from Lithuania we read:
"… the woman cannot believe what had happened.
    She repeated that she had no hope to [get back] her son. 'Half an hour ago I found out that he was in Norway, and for a long time. They did everything quietly. Why did not they inform the embassy of Lithuania?' - questions the woman."


    The answers are plain: The CPS and the Norwegian authorities and the Norwegian press keep quiet about the brutal realities of CPS activities because they want to carry on without opposition. And the reason they did not inform the Lithuanian embassy is that they want to keep the child - undisturbed by Lithuanians. The reason why they never ever want to let go of a child, is that if even one such case – of parents being able to get the child back and take it to another country – were to take place and be known, it would carry many thousands of others with it in its wake, AND further tens of thousands would have the possibility of demanding compensation from the state for having been detained in foster homes when they were children. Norway's insistence on 'providing CPS help to every child, irrespective of nationality' (cf the ambassador to Lithuania 'talking milk and honey', referred to just below), would backfire: This possibility would be open to Norwegians as well as to other nationals. The CPS system, with its tremendous, built-up system of quack assessments, useless 'help', disastrous effects, would break down, evaporate. The literally tens of thousands of people active within this systems: as CPS workers, psychologists, therapists, foster 'parents', workers in child institutions, privately run businesses that offer assessments, placement, therapy etc, teachers at the numerous educational institutions offering 'child protection' education and training, – none of them would like that to happen.

    The Lithuanians, at least Lithuanian authorites, have no cause to be surprised, because this is what the Nordic countries (and very often other Western countries) do, and Lithuania must have known about it already, have known that when the CPS has taken over the 'care management' of a child, it is considered to be 'the legal guardian' with total power over the child. If Lithuania has not had desperate Lithuanian parents asking for help from their own embassies in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Britain or other countries before, then at least the Lithuanian embassies in the Nordic countries must be aware of the most prominent Russian and Polish cases? There is also this sweet speech by the Norwegian ambassador to Lithuania about what Norway regularly does:
Norway talks milk and honey in Lithuania about our child protection
    The most well-known case Poland/Norway shows clearly that Norway always does its utmost to get back children whose families try to escape with them abroad, even starting a court case in Poland:
Judgment in Poland: a nine-year-old girl NOT to be extradited to Norway

    Then there is the case in which a Brazilian mother had to seek refuge with her daughter in the Brazilian embassy in Oslo – it took a long time before Norway at last had to yield and let them go to Brazil:
Brazil's embassy helps mother and child against abuse from the child protection services

    There is also the important case Malaysia/Sweden, in which the Malaysian prime minister and a deputy foreign minister succeeded – as a special concession from Sweden to Malaysia – in getting Sweden to let go of four children whom Sweden had put into a Swedish foster home. The parents were in jail pending trial, and it had been clearly explained to them that even if they were not sentenced, or after they had served their sentences, they had no right to get their children back: the children would be kept by the Swedish CPS if the CPS 'found that to be in the best interest of the children' (which they certainly would) and the parents would be expelled:
Malaysian family in Sweden - children taken
A child protection case Malaysia / Sweden
    The Lithuanian embassy in Sweden had every opportunity of knowing about this prominent case and should have taken warning. In the News reports it says: "Lithuania and Sweden have signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of child protection, so if the child is not returned to Lithuania, but to the temporary guardians in Norway, this agreement will be violated." This is no end naïve. Any 'cooperation over child protection' with the Nordic countries will be taken by them to mean that we should make the cooperating countries practice child protection in our way. Estonia has already welcomed Norway in to 'teach' it how to 'protect' children Norwegian fashion:
Norsk barnevern skal lære opp i Estland? (Norwegian CPS to teach in Estonia?)

    About keeping quiet: Britain is worst. There, parents risk jail if they as much as talk about what the CPS has done to their family:
The facts about child snatching can be reported in Norway - but not here
Important court verdict in England at last SUPPORTS freedom of info in CPS cases
    That does not mean that Norway is any principled defender of the freedom of speech in child protection matters: our CPS, the social workers' union, and various other people have repeatedly tried to get the police and the legislators to take action against people who publish openly and in detail about the CPS. One day they will no doubt succeed. Norway has been found guilty a number of times at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg of violating the right to freedom of speech and information. Norwegian society continues all the same, dishing out the opinion that there are so many other rights that are even more important, such as the right to privacy! As if they are protecting children and parents torn apart needlessly by not mentioning it!
    Several of us have been writing for years about the Norwegian state's eagerness to suppress real information about the CPS. Articles and reports are certainly available on the internet; Lithuanians will just have to start searching, and learning.

But at least Lithuanian embassies seem now to have been properly instructed from home that they are not to value their friendly, diplomatic relationship with Norway so highly that they fail their own citizens' most desperate, basic needs. It is NOT a matter only of the needs of parents to have their children with them, it is EVEN MORE a matter of children's needs not to be deprived of their parents and made into lucrative money machines of Norwegian CPS agents and foster 'parents'.
    Let us hope Lithuania is already in contact with the Czechs who are working to have Norway (possibly also the rest of the Nordic countries and Britain) condemned in the European parliament for the way they carry out 'child protection'. That would be a start.
Czech family seriously damaged by Norwegian child protection service (CPS)





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The police and the CPS talk in the articles abc above about a continued, large investigation going on, to find out whether 'anything illegal has been done'. From article a:

"- Det gjenstår nå en stor etterforsking for å finne ut om det har skjedd noe straffbart, og hvem som eventuelt har vært med på det, sier han til Tidens Krav." (A large investigation remains in order to find out if there has been any crime, and who, in that case, has taken part in it, he [the chief of police] says to [the newspaper] Tidens Krav.)

What is in their mind is of course to do their utmost to find illegal actions by the boy Gabrielius' mother, father, and possibly other relatives or friends and helpers. This is clear from early on.

If the CPS' taking of a child has been done, or confirmed, by a decision of the County Committee for Social Affairs (Fylkesnemnda) or the courts, then taking the child away from where the CPS has decided the child should be, is a criminal offense. If caught, the perpetrator will be prosecuted, usually with the public prosecutor demanding a jail sentence. Certainly the authorities make a huge case out of it, to frighten everybody from any such attempts. The long lists of articles here may give an idea of the scope of this, even for readers who do not read Scandinavian:

Barn og familier på flukt fra barnevernet (Children and families fleeing from the child protection services)
Barn og foreldre som blir straffet for opprør mot barnevernet (Children and parents who are punished for revolt against the child protection services)

A generous speaker of Norwegian and English as well as Russian took the time to give us a quick translation of the introduction to the first series here:

"Do we have Norwegian refugees?
Yes, both adults and children are desperately trying to get away from CPS.
    When the dearest thing people have is attacked and is in danger of being destroyed: own's close family and togetherness with them, people will naturally either raise to defend or escape.
    Many parents leads a desperate struggle to retain their kids together with them. Some of them are driven to move to other municipalities to try to get peace. Some see in the end no alternative, but to flee from Norway. Some are trying to go in church asylum or living underground. Some families try to retrieve their forcefully-removed children back home. Young people who are under CPS care flee from their tormentors, but are collected, and sent back.
    As routine the government puts in substantial resources to locate and apprehend such fugitives, both children and parents, and lead children back in CPS restraint. Both parents and others who are trying to help children escape from child welfare, are often put under criminal prosecution. The same is also done with the youth whom CPS has or want to have under suppression, and who try to oppose this restraint by physical aggression or resistance."


If the family had been Norwegian, and had fled abroad after a committee or court decision giving custody to the CPS, Norway would have located them by alerting Interpol and others; when found, Norway would have demanded extradition of both parents and children, they would have sent down about 4-6 policemen and 4 social workers to get them back to Norway, the children to foster homes or institutions, the parents to jail and trial. In the case of Norwegian citizens, Norway would have met with no objections from the other country, they only have to present the Norwegian court verdicts or committee decisions, and the fleeing family is handed over.

Several such refugees have believed that if they have succeeded in getting to another country with their children and the dust seems to have settled after some months, the CPS and other authorities have written off the case. So the refugees return home, in the belief that all is forgotten. – No way. Their names and particulars are known at border crossings, with the police in every part of the country, with every official facility, such as the labour offices, school administrations, health facilities, airline companies. All of these are compelled to report to the police / CPS if the family turns up, and the CPS authority over the child and the charge against the family for having escaped are still in full force.
    This goes for foreign families too. The only place they have a hope of not being extradited by Norway, is their own country, if they hold or can get back their citizenship there.

Norwegian actions against refugees from the CPS are standard. It does not take a genius to have foreseen that this would be a central concern of the police and the CPS; it is their most efficient disciplining action against the population. Compare what I wrote on 22 January about another fleeing Lithuanian family:
What's coming now?

  
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The police, in the ealiest articles, talk repeatedly about their 'fear' that the boy has been abducted against his will. This is a somewhat unusual statement, because neither the CPS nor the police ordinarily mention what a child wants – they always try to convey that the CPS expresses what the child wants and certainly what the child needs, and that the CPS is the ministering angel assisting the child.

So the repeated 'concern' about the boy possibly having been taken against his will is special. But the reason for this became clear when it was revealed in the last articles that the boy's case had not yet been through the county committee. He had been taken on a temporary decision (these are always said to be based on urgency: it was so dangerous for the child to remain with the parents that it had to be removed immediately).

One such case was that of a mother of two children who had been taken by the CPS on a temporary, emergency basis. She had taken the children away from CPS care, the mother had been jailed for this, pending trial. The jailing of her was appealed to the Supreme Court as a wrongful interpretation of the law. The Supreme Court upheld this and ordered her released: A temporary removal on an emergency basis does not mean that the CPS has formally had the custody of the children transferred to them. Hence it is not a criminal offense to take the children out of such temporary care. The Supreme Court's decision:
Barnevernsrelatert kjennelse fra Høyesterett avsagt 22.januar 2013 (CPS-related decision from the Supreme Court, passed on 22 January 2013)

Since then, the police has had to refrain from arresting people on such a basis. In the case of Gabrielius, the police knew that his placement was on a temporary basis, not yet confirmed through a county committee decision. Therefore, the police are extra active to get hold of the boy, because they know that they cannot easily get him back if he escapes from the country; there is nobody to arrest or try to extradite on account of a crime having been committed simply by Gabrielius being removed by someone in his family from CPS care.

One way of saddling the family with a crime after all, would be if they could show that the boy was taken from the bowling hall against the boy's own will. That might amount to kidnapping.

So this is what the police are doing: Initially they called it "barnebortføring" ('kidnapping'): "Politiets pessetalsmann Alf Stormo sa tirsdag at det trolig var snakk om en barnebortføring" (The press liaison of the police Alf Stormo said on Tuesday that it was probably a case of "barnebortføring"). Then, when that could not be upheld, they quickly started to talk about the boy being involuntarily taken.

Then when video cameras had shown the boy being led to a car (the News reports from Lithuania say by the boy's uncle), the police had to give up that possibility also – probably the video showed that he was not at all unwilling. Article c says:
"Siktelsen mot mannen som ble pågrepet sammen med gutten vil ikke bli opprettholdt.
– Er det mulig med tiltale for «alminnelig kidnapping» etter straffelovens paragraf 223?
– Det har vært et tema under etterforskningen, men vi kom til at den ikke rammet dette forholdet. Det har med måten han ble bortført på og omstendighetene for øvrig."

(The charge against the man who was apprehended together with the boy will be dropped.
– Is it possible with a charge for "common kidnapping" under criminal law §223 ?
– That has been a theme during the investigation, but we found that it did not cover this case. That has to do with the way in which he was abducted and the other circumstances.)


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The police were active from early on to find the boy's father. They found out where he is, but would not say where – perhaps it was negative to their case? – but said that he was not a chief suspect.

To start with they said the same about the mother too: She was 'being taken care of' by health personnel and police; they had talked with her and wanted to do so again; then she refused to make any statement to the police; then, finally: The mother is charged with having made false statements to the police. Quite likely she has conferred with the boy's uncle about how they could free Gabrielius.

Norway has the child back in the hands of the CPS, and is left with this solitary crime: the mother has not told the truth to the police. No doubt the prosecutors will make the most of it ?

But the journalist in article c and the police advocate Laura Havdal are in addition apparently in friendly agreement about future measures:
"Hull i lov
….. [Når midlertidig plassering trekker ut ] – Da forsvinner av og til barn, forteller politiadvokaten, men straffeloven knytter dem ikke til ulovlig bortføring. ….. Vår oppfatning er at dagens lovverk ikke gir tilfredsstillende beskyttelse av barna. Det er signalene fra dem som jobber med dette, og det er derfor satt i gang arbeid med å vurdere om lovbestemmelsen skal endres. Da må man vurdere om også midlertidig omsorgsovertakelse skal inn i bortføringsparagrafen, sier Havdal.

(A hole in the law
….. [When temporary placement drags on] – Then children disappear now and then, says the police advocate, but the criminal code does not tie it to illegal abduction. ….. Our view is that today's laws do not give adequate protection for the children. That is the signal from those who are working on this, and work has therefore been started to consider whether the law is to be changed. It must then be decided whether even a temporary transfer of care is to go into the paragraph relating to [illegal] abduction, says Havdal.)

And the CPS leader says: "– Generelt så ønsker jeg alle lovendringer som styrker barns rettigheter og trygghet velkommen."
(Generally, I welcome all changes of the law that strengthen children's rights and safety.)

So now we know what to expect in the not so distant future: Another possibility for families to stay together will be removed. Are there any more left? Not as far as I can see. Right from early in the 1990s there have been changes, a series of steps - little and larger – to make the CPS system and the state's ownership to every child complete.

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Lithuanian diplomats ask Norwegian authorities to allow to see child that was taken from mother
Delfi, by The Lithuania Tribune, 4 February 2015

"Swedish diplomats have said that Lithuania was not informed about the return of the child because his place of residence has not been declared in Lithuania."

"Jens Eikaas, representative of the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said that Norway's Child Welfare Services (Barnevernet) first of all cares for a child's well-being and closely follows legal principles of confidentiality. He …. promised to take every effort to find out whether the child is actually in Norway."

The falsehood of it all!
The Swedes come up with a formal excuse (as expected) and Norwegian authorities try to impress people about its concern for children's welfare (as expected) by offering to 'find out whether the boy is actually in Norway'? Goodness, it's supposed to be generous? And then suggesting that the Hague convention will help! I can tell you: very unlikely against this, it won't, probably on the contrary.
    Look at the way Norway tried to use the Hague convention against the Polish family to get their child extradited to Norway to foster care!:
Judgment in Poland: a nine-year-old girl NOT to be extradited to Norway

It is the entrenched Norwegian opinion that children are so safe and well, and of course happy, when the child protection people and their foster 'parents' are in charge of them and parents are kept away. Poor boy!
  
  

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A petition which can be signed


A petition has been started to get Gabrielius home (on the same website as the one for the Czech brothers). It has a large number of signatures already.


Meile S., Denmark:
Lietuvos Seimui bei atsakingoms institucijoms: Grąžinkite Gabrielių Bumbulį į Lietuvą!
30 January 2015


The text is mainly in Lithuanian, but there are a few lines in English at the bottom. (I believe probably "taken" instead of "stolen" might have expressed the writer's thoughts better!)

"We demand to return a child to Lithuania and let him live with his family. Recently the child was stolen from Norway where he was separated from his family. Child was stopped in Sweden and is waiting for Lithuanian Goverment to take a stand.
Lithuanian institutions don't let us down."


  
  

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Lithuanian interpreter Neringa Ozolina leads demonstration against the CPS (barnevernet) in Ålesund (in Western Norway)
and gives unequivocal statements to Lithuanian media


Tolken ledet aksjon mot barnevernet (The interpreter lead the action against the CPS)
Romsdals Budstikke, 11 February 2015

The text under the picture says "Demonstrerte: Tolk Neringa Ozolina deltok i markeringen utenfor fylkesnemndas møte i Molde mandag." (Demonstrated: Interpreter Neringa Ozolina took part in the demonstration outside the county committee's meeting in Molde on Monday.)

She has a courageous and upright attitude, I think:
"Til litauisk media har tolken omtalt Norge som korrupt, og at barnevernets omsorgsovertakelser drives fram av et profittmotiv, med litauiske barn som attraktiv gevinst." (To Lithuanian media the interpreter has spoken of Norway as corrupt, and said that the child protection service's take-overs of custody of children is driven by a profit motive, with Lithuanian children as attractive gain.)
"… Den litauiske tolken har engasjert seg i flere litauiske barnevernsaker som har gått i fylkesnemnd og domstol, sist saka med 7-åringen som ble bortført fra Molde i januar."(The Lithuanian interpreter has taken a stand in several Lithuanian CPS cases which have been up for county committee and court, the latest being the case of the 7-year-old who was abducted from Molde in January.)

Of course Norwegian authorities more or less try to spread fear, saying that "– En tolk er avhengig av tillit fra alle parter, på samme måte som domstolene er det. Så får man sjøl avgjøre om dette styrker tilliten eller ikke, sier Karterud." (– An interpreter is dependent on confidence from all parties, in the same way that the courts are. So then one must oneself decide whether this strengthens confidence or not, says Karterud.)

(Terje Karterud is senior adviser in the administration of the courts.)

  

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 Post subject: Re: Lithuanian boy? – unclear news reports
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Here it comes, one more prohibition aimed at biological family – as expected:

Skriftlig spørsmål fra Jenny Klinge (Sp) til justis- og beredskapsministeren (Written question from Jenny Klinge (Sp) to the Minister of Justice and Public Security)
Stortinget (Parliament), 4 - 5 February 2015

The Minister's answer to her question is positive: The government will now propose that the prohibition on removing a child from CPS care is also to be effective for children taken on accute decisions which have not yet been confirmed by a county committee decision or a court verdict. Cf the Lithuanian case:
Points 3, 4 and 5 from 3rd February.

    

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Some earlier articles:


Norway's ambassador to Lithuania speaks out on child custody controversy involving Norwegian child services
Delfi, by The Lithuania Tribune, 11 February 2015

The present Norwegian ambassador assures Lithuania that all is well with the child protection establishment and the courts in Norway, that they only remove children forcibly in the most extreme cases of repeated abuse, ant that there have "only" been 13 CPS cases involving Lithuanians in Norway, out of a population here of about 60,000. Of the 13 he says that 10 were "settled" in favour of the parents.

This is of course like hearing the Ministry itself speak. None of this explains the hunt for the 9-year-old girl and her mother, who fortunately managed to escape. And none of it explains the hunt for the little boy and the demand that he be handed back to Norway from Sweden. Why not just inform a Lithuanian embassy and let Lithuania take charge of him? The answer is clear: Because it would be a revealing defeat for the whole of the Norwegian child protection industry if Lithuania then, in peace and no urgency, and with the boy there, could find out what the boy himself wants and whether his relatives were so terrible that the boy had really been taken "in an extreme case of repeated abuse".

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Polish investigator who kidnaps Lithuanian children from Norway's child services: We did things we cannot talk about
Delfi, by The Lithuania Tribune, 6 February 2015

This article gives a lot of information about Polish private investigator Krzysztof Rutkowski, who has helped several desperate parents to save their children out of Norwegian foster care existence.

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Lithuanian foreig[n] minister and Norwegian ambassador discuss children's rights protection
Delfi, by The Lithuania Tribune, 6 February 2015

Apparently a very "diplomatic" discussion, which will not bring Gabrielius a centimeter closer to being reunited with his family.
    Norway announces that its accession to the Hague convention concerning international child controversies will "allow to resolve disputes on the issue".
    This is a very insidious suggestion and no doubt deliberate on Norway's part. To run such cases according to the Hague convention will, on the contrary, give "the person or persons holding legal custody" the upper hand. In the cases of families fleeing from Norwegian child protection, it is - certainly in Norwegian law anyway - the Norwegian state's child protection agency that holds the legal custody. Cf the posting above of 4 February, as well as my comment in the posting in the thread about the Czech Michaláková case, and especially Judgment in Poland: a nine-year-old girl NOT to be extradited to Norway, which describes a case in which Norway precisely tried to use the Hague covention to overrule every consideration for the child, the parents, and another country's understanding of decency and humane conduct.

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Tensions peak as Norway takes Lithuanian children
True Lithuania, 3 February 2015

A very long and very informative article, clearly based on good and rich information. Much of the history of the development of Norwegian child protection is also good, although it is not right that the CPS only "eventually started curbing various non-standar[t] upbringing practices". They have always done so, including the early times (before they were given the name of "child protection") removed forcibly children of poor families "from the streets of Oslo" to prison-type institutions. The compensations paid out the last few years to former CPS children, also mentioned by the article, have been paid out for past cases, never for cases of today, although the limits for "the past" have fortunately crept closer and closer to the present.

The article relates something stated by the Lithuanian embassy in Norway, in which the embassy apparently trusts something Norway says:
"In a recent interview even the Lithuanian first secretary to Norway suggested that the parents "could leave Norway and [should] do so quickly" if their child is with them at the time despite the recent problems with Barnevernet and the embassy confirms that leaving the country would not be impeded."
    The reality is that if Norwegian CPS suspect that parents think of taking their child with them and fleeing, the CPS will with overwhelming probability take the child immediately, on an "interim", so-called "acute decision", and they will place the child at a secret address if there is any likelihood of the parents otherwise finding it and taking it out. – So far it has not been illegal to physically take one's children back from such temporary placement and leave the country with them, but now (cf the posting just above this) a proposition will go to Stortinget (the Norwegian parliament) in which this too is criminalised. Even today the situation is, as we see in the case about Gabrielius, that that Norwegian police and Interpol are mobilised and will take the child back to the CPS if they get hold of it, even if the placement has been just temporary. (Confer also point 4 in the posting of 3 February above.)

Incomplete reasoning is also present in some sentences which suggest that the CPS' transfer of children to themselves only happen when parents have violated laws concerning the treatment and raising of children. This is very far from being the case. Psycho-babble cases abound, especially based on invalid prognoses of how children can possibly be abused by their parents in the future if they are allowed to remain with them, or airy contentions of how they will be better off "with new parents" because the biological parents "do not see the child's needs" (no solid examples are required by the courts about which needs these are and of how the parents fail to see and satisfy them).


But these are imperfections which one cannot expect reporters to be immune against until they have gone much farther in their investigations of the whole topic. The fact that the Norwegian child protection "system" is as incredibly bad as it is, gives the authorities an advantage: it is difficult for people who have not been hit by it themselves to believe that it can be so bad.

All in all this is an unusually valuable article.

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 Post subject: Re: Lithuanian boy? – unclear news reports
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Very good: Some members of parliament in Lithuania are plenty angry at Norway:

Group of MPs want Lithuanian government to pick a fight with Norway over children's welfare
Delfi, by the Lithuania Tribune, 18 February 2015

"Seven MPs have registered a resolution in the Lithuanian parliament, the Seimas, that might very likely lead to diplomatic rows with Norway."

"The group does not stop at that, however. They suggest that Lithuania take leadership in the EU on the issue. According to the proposed resolution, the Lithuanian government should "start a debate in EU institutions and initiate changes in EU legislation to provide for protecting the rights of under-aged EU citizens who reside in the territory of the Kingdom of Norway and other non-EU states".  
  

The poster with Norwegian text right in front in the picture says "Duty of confidentiality protects abusers of power".
  
  

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This is bad business for Lithuania – letting Norwegians teach them about child protection:

From institutional care for Lithuanian children to family and community-based alternatives
NGO Norway - Norwegian Helsinki Committee, no date

"To support them in their project they have allied themselves with a Norwegian organisation. Oslo Sanitetsforening Brusetkollen AS kindly agreed to contribute with its know-how of provision of community-based social services, Norwegian child care system and benefits of deinstitutionalisation for children and society. They got in touch with this partner through the assistance of SOS Children's Villages Norway.
… Experts from Brusetkollen introduced to the participants good practice in provision of services and examples of community-based social services in Norway.
    Next year, the Norwegian partner will return to Lithuania to participate in further advocacy activities. In the concluding project conference for state and municipal authorities and NGOs BRUSETKOLLEN will present Norwegian children care system, best practices and challenges for foster parents and benefits of deinstitutionalisation for children and society."


This article immediately brings to mind the last part of Petr Mach's recent speech in Prague, advising the Czechs Republic not to accept Norwegian grants because they come with an eager thrust from Norway wishing to "teach" the Czechs about child protection.

While care for homeless and ill-treated children in Lithuania may be very bad as it is, to start on "the Norwegian road" may very likely lead from bad to worse. For one thing, there is no need for SOS Children's Villages in Norway, and Lithuanians should therefore ask themselves what the reason is that they nevertheless exist in Norway.
    The Lithuanians ought to understand that the way the Norwegian system is presented and ideologised covers a reality of parental deprivation which is vicious and not at all defensible in a country with the economic resources of Norway. The results of Western style foster care, whether in institutions, "community" care arrangements or private foster homes, should be noted (cf Political program for child protection in local administration):

&&&&&
Living under CPS care gives children a markedly elevated risk of:
• a lack of experienced happiness and meaning in the period of growing up, because the child is not allowed to live together with those for whom it has a nature-given, mutual love and a feeling of belonging together,
• missing family solidarity and kin solidarity in adult age,
• divorce and other falling apart of their own family established as adults,
• actions from the CPS who take away their own children,
• suffering maltreatment and abuse in foster home / institution,
• poor education,
• unempoyment,
• homelessness,
• early disability pensioning,
• physical and psychiatric illness,
• early death, suicide being one of the causes,
• alcohol and substance abuse,
• a criminal career and prison sentences,
• a general experience of maladjustment and an inimical attitude towards society.
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A very important report is coming from the Council of Europe

Here, in provisional form, is a report with recommendations from a Committee in the Council of Europe. (It is important to remember that the Council of Europe is nothing to do with the European Union; a larger group of countries are members of the Council of Europe, Norway among them.)

The draft resolution has been adopted unanimously by the Committee, and is, as far as I know, then to be considered by the Parliamentary assembly.

Social services in Europe: legislation and practice of the removal of children from their families in Council of Europe member States
Report - Provisional version
January 2015

The rapporteur, who has been heading the work of producing the report, is Russian. From our point of view that is fortunate, because Russia has open eyes to all the abusive actions carried out by child protection agencies in Western countries.


(Some shorter citations will be added here.)

  

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 Post subject: Re: Lithuanian boy? – unclear news reports
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A completely new article in Lithuanian:

Norvegai Gabrieliaus negrąžins nei šeimai, nei Lietuvai
lrytas.lt, 24 February 2015


A Google translation is not very readable, but seems to say that the mother has lost completely in the county committee in Møre and Romsdal, that she is not to see her son again, hass been stripped of parental responsibility; a guardian will be appointed for Gabrielius, he is to be placed at a secret address, he has "special needs" which the mother cannot take care of. There are also unclear sentences about sexualised behaviour.

All of these items are well-known from a lot of cases, including very many in which the accusations and the "remedies" are spurious.

  

  

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