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Natasha, Erik and their twin daughters

Natasha og Erik are parents whom the Norwegian child protection service Barnevernet has dealt very harshly with:
(Wrong diagnosis 13 years old – twins taken at birth).

They have now fled to Poland (Norwegian authorities call it "rømme" = "run away", a Norwegian word with stronger connotations of illegal or irrespondible running away like a child does). Barnevernet were intending to take the twins away from them again.

Ble fratatt barna på fødestua:

(The children taken at the birth clinic: Now Natasha (24) and Erik (21) have fled Norway with the twins)
tv2, 2 July 2016

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Even if it turns out that the family has not fled illegally with the children, it should not surprise anyone if Norway brings in the Hague convention, which has just begun to function, in order to legitimise Norway's "rights" to decide what is to happen to the twins.
    The press release from the Norwegian government dated yesterday:

shows abundantly clearly that Norway does not plan any cooperation with other countries in the form of respecting their views on child protection and the relationship children-parents. On the contrary Norway wants to dictate across the border as well. Wonderful to have Norway deciding to place children in foster homes in other countries? Under Norwegian guidance, no doubt?

  
  

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Rumour will have it that Natasha and Erik have applied for political asylum in Poland. That is probably wise. Let us hope the Poles see the seriousness of the persecution they and their children are being exposed to.
   If by any chance asylum is not granted in Poland, they ought probably to cross the border to the Czech Republic directly. There, the president of the country is on their side, the one who stated that Norwegian child protection was proceeding just like the Nazis.

Several newspapers have an article, a short one from the national telegram bureau or a longer one, about Natasha and Erik now being sought by Norway via Interpol:

(Couple from Stange wanted for abduction of their own children)
Hamar Arbeiderblad, 2 July 2016
(The town of Hamar is close to Stange, which the couple comes from, so Hamar Arbeiderblad is local.)

""Det går bra med jentene. De har hatt stor framgang på den måneden vi har vært borte, og de har lagt på seg ett kilo. Det viktigste er jo at jentene har det bra. Vi har forståelse for at ikke alle er enige i det, men sånn ble det. Vi tenkte på jentene, og det er det som er viktigst her, sier Natasha på telefon til TV 2."
(The girls are all right. They have progressed very well in the month we have been away, and they have gained 1 kilo in weight. The most important thing is that all is well with the girls. We understand that not everybody agrees, but this is the way things have turned out. Our thoughts were for the girls, and that is the most important thing here, says Natasha on the telephone with TV 2.)

(Parents charged with abduction wanted via Interpol)
Østlendingen, 2 juli 2016
(Østlendingen is published at Elverum, a bit east of Hamar.)

Bortføringssiktet foreldrepar etterlyst via Interpol
http://www.altaposten.no/lokalt/NTB/NTB ... 016/07/02/
Bortføringssiktet-foreldrepar-etterlyst-via-Interpol-12984798.ece
Altaposten, 2 juli 2016
http://www.framtidinord.no/ntb/innenriks/2016/07/02/
Bortføringssiktet-foreldrepar-etterlyst-via-Interpol-12984799.ece
Framtid i Nord, 2 juli 2016
http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/innenriks/2016/07/02/
Bortføringssiktet-foreldrepar-etterlyst-via-Interpol-12984797.ece
Adresseavisen, 2 juli 2016
http://www.smp.no/ntb/innenriks/2016/07/02/
Bortføringssiktet-foreldrepar-etterlyst-via-Interpol-12984803.ece
Sunnmørsposten, 2 juli 2016
http://www.hegnar.no/Nyheter/Naeringsli ... a-Interpol
Hegnar Online, 2 juli 2016

(Altaposten and Framtid i Nord are published in the far north of Norway, Adresseavisen in Trondheim, Sunnmørsposten south-west of Trondheim, Hegnar Online is Oslo-based.)
  

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The case is being covered on this Polish-language website:


The articles in Polish are well translated into Norwegian and English on .

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An ordinary google search with the words "Natasha Erik Norwegia Barnevernet" and the choice of "Polish" as language gives a lot of hits from Polish press. "Norwegia" seems to be a correct form for "Norway" according to Google translate.
  
  

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There are going to be demonstrations against Norwegian Barnevern in Warsaw today Friday 8 July and tomorrow 9 July, in connection with the Nato meeting there.
   It will probably be covered by Polish media and , even if Norwegian media will probably be absent as usual, or will only turn up briefly to express contempt and ridicule for Barnevern victims, and claim once again that other countries are not "informed" about the excellence of Norwegian child protection. The only exception might be Norwegian tv2, since they have reported about the case earlier with some interest.

  

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Good photos from the demonstration in Warsaw last Saturday!


East News, 12 July 2016


And here are Natasha and Erik again:


polsatnews, 6 July 2016


Bjo Ern, 9 July 2016

    

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Here is some news in Czech, which also mentions Natasha and Erik:

Tisková zpráva (Press release):

Tiskovky.info, 13 July 2016

    

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But Norwegian authorities go on and on.


(The Justice Department are working to get the family home)
Politiet og Justisdepartementet jobber med ulike metoder for å få Natasha, Erik Olsen Myra og de to tvillingene tilbake til Norge.
(The police and the Justice Department are working with different methods to get Natasha, Erik Olsen Myra and the twins back to Norway)
Hamar Arbeiderblad, 13 July 2016


A solution to the case is, according to the police, for Norway to get hold of the children by force and have the parents forced back in order to take them to criminal court:

"Elin Rønne, som er politiinspektør i Asker- og Bærum politidistrikt, sier det ikke foreligger noen endret status i saken.
   – Vårt hovedfokus er å få barna tilbake til Norge. Vi håper på en snarlig løsning, men kan ikke gi noen garantier, sier Rønne.
   På spørsmål om hva de gjør, forteller hun at de følger politisporet, mens Justisdepartementet er inne i saken og følger det sivile sporet. Justisdepartementets rolle i slike saker er blant annet å samordne og koordinere kontakt mellom norske og utenlandske myndigheter og mellom myndigheter og privatpersoner for å oppnå en rask avgjørelse."

(Elin Rønne, police inspector in Asker and Bærum Police District, says there is no change in the status in the case.
   – Our main focus is to get the children back to Norway. We hope for a rapid solution, but cannot give any guarantees, says Rønne.
   To the question of what they are doing, she says that they are following "the police track", while the Justice Department are involved in the case and are following the civil track. The role of the Justice Department in such cases is e.g. to arrange and coordinate contact between Norwegian and foreign authorities and between the authorities and private individuals in order to have a quick decision.)



Erik's father, Jan Erik Myra, of course has something different to relate:

"Han sier både barna og de voksne har det bra og lever trygt, men i skjul.
   – Jeg har hatt bittelitt kontakt med dem, sier han.
   [My]ra forteller at foreldrene ikke har til hensikt å reise hjem til Norge foreløpig.
   – De kommer ikke hjem før tingretten omgjør avgjørelsen og gir dem foreldreretten tilbake, ellers må de bli polske statsborgere, sier Myra.
   Han påpeker at de to foreldrene hadde foreldreretten da de valgte å reise ut av landet 4. juni.
   – Hva tenker du om at politiet har siktet dem for barnebortføring og at det er internasjonalt etterlyst?
   – Det som er fælt er hvordan norske myndigheter behandler dem og barna deres. Hvordan de lyver og bruker alle midler for ta fra dem barna deres. Veldig mange sier det ville gjort akkurat det samme."

(He says that both the children and the adults are well and live safely, but in hiding.
   – I have had a bit of contact with them, he says.
   [My]ra says that the parents do not intend to return to Norway for the time being.
   – They are not coming home before Tingretten (the District Court) reverses the decision and gives them back their parental rights, otherwise they will have to become Polish citizens, says Myra.
   He emphasises that the two parents had the parental rights when they chose to leave the country on 4 June.
   – How do you feel about the police having charged them with child abduction and that they are searched internationally?
   – What is terrible is the way Norwegian authorities have treated them and their children. How they lie and utilise all possible means to take the children from them. Very many people say they would have done just the same thing.)

  

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So what happened to Natasha, Erik and their twins?

A little complicated, but to make it short: The care order was overruled by the court in January 2017. The police also withdrew their case on child-abduction.

To start with, Erik and Natasha seemingly planned a return to Norway later last year. Erik and Natasha were encouraged to come home by the municipality. Then things were quiet for a long time.

The last posting from the mother on facebook this week however, is that the family plans to stay abroad. They dont have confidence in the Norwegian CPS system that traumatized them so badly. They had a support-page on social media, but it will now be closed as they want to live normal lives and shelter their family life.

It is probably a wise decision to stay abroad, as Norwegian CPS have a reputation of haunting and interfering with families even after the CPS have been defeated in the court-system.


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