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Demonstrations in Norway apropos ditto abroad


Previous demonstrations:


Here in Norway there was a demonstration in Oslo on Tuesday 5 January, with about 40-50 people (very good in this cold weather!).


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Announced demonstration

37. Oslo, Norway – 20 February 2016, Eidsvolls plass (the park by Stortinget, the
                                                                        Norwegian parliament), 3 pm – 7 pm


The demonstration is a general one against CPS abuses. However, the
Association of Romanians in Norway has announced that they will attend:
 

  "The real world – The lion roars about Barnevernet", Jan-Aage Torp (Norwegian speech)

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20 February 2016:

Oslo:    200+ protesters in Oslo, Norway
  1
  2
 – Dragoman Mihai's video
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2
3
(Demonstrate against Norwegian CPS: – The allegations are completely insane) (The article is typical of the way the Norwegian main-stream press stabs the victims in the back, as usual.)
VG, 20 February 2016
 4 – TV2 Nyhetskanalen # Barnevernet
5 – VG TV #Barnevernet
6 – Jan-Aage Torp's talk

– Before the Norwegian Parliament
7 – Lithuanian visitors, Norwegian CPS victims, victim from Chile; Partly English speech, partly Russian speech English texting, partly Norwegian speech Russian texting
Video no 7 also
8
  (1 minute's silence for victims of Barnevernet)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 22 February 2016 

Armonia Magazine - USA, 20 February 2016
9 – Fragment
 10 – part of Marianne Skånlands talk
11
 12
 13 – Speeches, 1 of 2
 14 – Speeches, 2 of 2

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Planned demonstration in Norway tomorrow

38.  – 26 February 2016, Wergelandsparken, 11 am – 1 pm (the announcement gives another time, but this is apparently due to hacking!)

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Demonstration on 26 February 2016:

Kristiansand:    ca 40 ? protesters in Kristiansand, Norway
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 3 – Jane Kile's speech

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Planned demonstrations in Norway on Saturday 16 April 2016


(The following list will be filled in, re places and particulars, as and when someone sends us information!)



42. Oslo, Norge – Eidsvolls plass (in front of Parliament), 3:00 pm – 6:00 pm


43.  – The Fish Market at 12.15, from there march up to Tårnplass square before Bergen courthouse, 1:00 pm - 3:00 pm
Note: Meeting time 12.15, not 1:00 pm!

44. Vennesla, Norge – central Vennesla, 1:00 pm - 3:00 pm


45. Stryn, Norge


62. – The city park, beside the Baptist church

  

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With the demonstrations in Norway
on 16 April 2016 in view



Rune Fardal:
(D-Day 16 April 2016)
youtube, 12 March 2016

Raymond Skorstad:
(D-Day 16 April 2016 demonstration against Barnevernet)
youtube, 13 March 2016

Rune Fardal:

youtube, 16 March 2016

Evgeni Dyakonov:

Interview with Aage Simonsen, Jan Simonsen and Marianne Haslev Skånland
(Norwegian and English speech, Russian texting)
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(Bradley Clarks Video Appell om Protest mot Barnevernet 16. april 2016)
Delight in Truth, 21 March 2016

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(Appell til Oslo, Stryn, Bergen og resten av Norge)
Delight in Truth, 13 March 2016

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(16 april kommer! Verdensomspennende protest!)
agnus dei - english + romanian blog, 18 March 2016

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(Video-Appell fra Medlem av EU-parlamentet om å ta del i Protest mot Barnevernet)
Delight in Truth, 23 March 2016

"Jeg ønsker å motivere alle til å bli med på demonstrasjon som har som mål å stoppe barnevernet."

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(Til skam for Norge slår barnevernet tilbake)
Delight in Truth, 21 March 2016

" Many parents are now being given visitation dates by the CPS to see their children/loved ones on Saturday 16 April, knowing that the parents will choose seeing their children over going to one of the protests in Norway. One Barnevernet employee made a comment to one mother, “well, we will see how many will participate on this day, when so many of you will have visitations.“ "
(Mange foreldre blir nå av barnevernet tildelt samvær med sine barn lørdag 16. april, ettersom barnevernet vet at foreldrene vil velge å treffe barna sine fremfor å dra til en av protestene i Norge. Én barnevernsansatt kom med en bemerkning til en mor: "Vel, vi får se hvor mange som vil delta denne dagen, når så mange av dere skal ha samvær.")

Raymond skorstad:
MARCH 22, 2016 @ 7:01 AM
Then we must have demonstrations every week, so the childten get to see their parents often, until they are finally home
:-)
(Da må vi ha demonstrasjoner hver uke, så barna får se sine foreldre ofte, helt til de endelig kommer hjem.)

Pavla Jansova
MARCH 22, 2016 @ 8:25 AM
Excellent idea Raymond
:-)
(Utmerkrt idé, Raymond)

Chris
MARCH 22, 2016 @ 8:40 AM
Very creative, Raymond.
:)
(Meget kreativt, Raymond.)

Marianne Skanland
MARCH 22, 2016 @ 3:03 PM
A peach of an idea, Raymond!

(En plomme av en idé, Raymond!)


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Some changes:


Planned demonstrations in Norway on Saturday 16 April 2016


42. Oslo, Norge – Eidsvolls plass (in front of Parliament), 3:00 pm – 6:00 pm


43.  – The Seafaring Monument at 12.15, from there march up to Tårnplass square before Bergen courthouse, 1:00 pm - 3:00 pm
Note: Meeting time 12.15, not 1:00 pm!

The meeting place in Bergen has been changed once more, from the Fish Marked to the Seafaring Monument. Somebody from the demonstration will make a quick trip down to the Fish Marked with a poster, trying to round up possible participants who may be waiting there.


44. Vennesla, Norge – central Vennesla, 1:00 pm - 3:00 pm


45. Stryn, Norge


62. – The city park, beside the Baptist church

  

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Demonstrations on 16 April 2016:


Norway


Stryn:    around 300 protesters in Stryn, Norway
– Margaret Hennum's speech
 – 1
 – 2
 – Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA)
about HSDLA's visit in Stryn and Naustdal

Oslo:    2-300 protesters in Oslo, Norway

 – Radio Filadelfia Romania
 – Mihai Dragoman's video
– Mihai Dragoman's video here as well



 – Arne Seland's speech
 – Jørgen Stueland's speech
– Marianne Skånland's speech
 – E. Dyakonov's video, small introduction
 – E. Dyakonov's video 1, Russian texting (many interviews at the demonstration)
 – E. Dyakonov's video 2, English / Norwegian texting (contents as in Video 1)
 – E. Dyakonov's video 4, all speeches, no texting
 – E. Dyakonov's video 5, Velcome, speeches: Oddvar Espegard, Grethe Sofie Frog, Norwegian texting
 – E. Dyakonov's video 7, Speeches: Cecilie Bedsvaag, Bjørn Berg, Jørgen Stueland, interview of Jørgen Stueland, Norwegian texting

Bergen:    about 150 protesters in Bergen, Norway

 – Rune Fardal's video
 – Åge Simonsens speech: "Mye synsing, lite fakta" (Much opinion, little fact)

Vennesla:    about 60 protesters in Vennesla, Norway
 – 1, with speeches
 – 2, with speeches
 – Jan Simonsen's speech

Haugesund:    Some dozen protesters in Haugesund, Norway
(Demonstrated against Barnevernet)
Haugalandnytt 16 April 2016
 – TV Haugaland

Haugesunds Avis (NTB), 16 April 2016

nrk Rogaland, 16 April 2016

  

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More videos and pictures keep turning up on the internet from the demonstrations around the world. When these are from demonstrations which have already been given postings above in this thread, the new documentation is added in the existing postings – look at each posting with a provided date of demonstrations – that is: without new postings being added to the thread.

New demonstrations are planned in Norway (Oslo) on 28 May and 11 June (see below), possibly also in Trondhjem. So far there do not seem to be any definite, announced arrangements abroad.

  

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New planned demonstrations



28 May 2016 – Oslo, Norway – in front of the (Stortinget)

28 May 2016 – Trondheim
(In Norwegian)

11 June 2016 – Oslo, Norway – in front of the parliament (Stortinget)
This demonstration aims to have a somewhat wider scope than just child protection, and take in human rights in connection with other establishments providing assistance also

  

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New planned demonstration


11 Juni 2016 – Haugesund 

  

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Jan Simonsen:
(New demonstrations against Barnevernet)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 26 May 2016


A quick reminder of the 28 May and 11 June demonstrations to come, plus fine videos from earlier demonstrations.

  

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Demonstrations on 28 May 2016


Oslo:    100–200 protesters
– 1 – Short video showing glimses from the procession, the speeches and the gathering at Eidsvolls plass outside the Norwegian parliament
– 1 – Jan Simonsen was one of the speakers. Here is his report from the demonstration (In Norwegian)
 – 2 – Politician Vidar Kleppe with support for the demonstrations (In Norwegian)
 – E. Dyakonov's video 1, all speeches (10 in Norwegian, one (the last) in English), balloons in honour of children taken by Barnevernet. No texting

  
Trondheim:  
 – Rune Fardal's speech (in Norwegian)
 – Manuscript for Rune Fardal's speech
 – Jane Kile's speech (in Norwegian)

  
  

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The newspaper Vårt Land again – hellbent on believing, and on harming the already ill-treated

The Christian, but extremely state-subservient newspaper Vårt Land continues its crusade against people who protest against Barnevernet’s abuse. Here is chief of the news desk Trygve Jordheim, who thinks it is a conspiracy, thinks the fact that people demonstrate is freedom of speech which does harm, and misleads foreigners into misunderstanding and fearing the Norwegian state and not seek the help which exists here in the “help services”.

(The harmful Barnevern conspiracy)
Demonstrantene tror de hjelper innvandrerbarn ved å advare mot barnevernet. De kunne ikke tatt mer feil.
Vårt Land, 31 May 2016

He speaks about the “frustration” that he could see on many faces at the 28 May demonstration. With contempt. Frustration? People who have been deprived of their loved children?
Mr Jordheim does not want the Norwegian “conspirators” to mislead these poor foreigners.
He comes up with “ideals”: that Barnevernet is there to help children who need it, not to destroy immigrant families, he says. Heard it before?
He seems utterly locked into not finding out anything about whether the ideal is being practiced.

Correction: I wrote that this concerned the newspaper Dagen. It should be Vårt Land, and I have corrected it here. I regret any inconvenience!

  

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Some of the statements in his comment are frightening.

One of the headings says: Freedom of speech that damages. (Ytringsfrihet som gjør skade)

Truth can hurt, and in true democracies we have to put up with the fact that people whom we dislike can express opinions that we dislike. But can freedom of speech practiced the way Jordheim describes really do damage? Isn`t it rather the assumption that one of our most basic rights is damaging that is upsetting?

Trygve Jordheim says: Many with a minority background fear the authorities, because they come from countries where they have a reason to do so. ( Mange med minoritetsbakgrunn frykter myndighetene, fordi de kommer fra et land der de har grunn til å gjøre det.)

Even though people like Jordheim find it hard to believe, we are also many who have reason to fear the Norwegian authorities. I am not the only father who found flight out of Norway as the only option to avoid a family disaster. Nevertheless, most journalists I have talked to are not interested in our story.

Jordheim argues like the Norwegian authorities themselves: The trust in the Norwegian CPS - or rather the lack of such - is not the responsibility of the CPS, but the responsibility of people who talk badly about "Barnevernet".

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The waves of protest against Norwegian Barnevern
By Aage Simonsen
Dr.Scient, former member of the Client Committee, the Social Office of Central Bergen

••
This comment was published in Norwegian in Aftenposten on 15 June 2016. It has been translated and published here with the author's kind consent.
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The last years have seen a wave of protests against Norwegian child protection. Elisabeth Backe-Hansen and Jan Storø at Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences claim, in a debate article in Aftenposten on 27 May, an article out of harmony with reality, that the demonstrations were directed against me and all other Norwegians.

I have several times given speeches at the demonstrations, without having observed even a single poster directed against child protection, as claimed by Storø and Backe-Hansen. The demonstrations are directed against Norwegian child protection the way it functions today.

No Barnevern critic thinks that children should not be protected against violence or serious lack of care. The portrayal of the Barnevern critics as extreme Christian fundamentalists is totally without meaning. Instead of promoting non-objective demagogy, Storø and Backe-Hansen should go into the objective and to-the-point criticism of Barnevernet, and think through how the system may be changed for the better.


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The article referred to:
Elisabeth Backe-Hansen og Jan Storø:

(Let us be clear in the Barnevern debate: YOU are the one they are demonstrating against)
Dette er sivilisasjonsstrid, ikke debatt om noen skarve barnevernssaker.
(This is a battle about civilisation, not a debate about a few miserable child protection cases.)
Aftenposten, 27 May 2016


A remark: When Backe-Hansen, Storø and Barnevernet claim to stand for civilisation in what they do and what they encourage, says a lot about an idea of what civilisation is which is promoted by politically correct voices up here on top of the world.
MHS

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Artikles etc by Aage Simonsen:

(Case handling done by Barnevernet)
(Barnevernet's methods)
(Child protection and lack of protection under the law) (with Jan Simonsen)
(Child protection and drug addicts)
(The place of refuge provided by Barnevernet)
(Handbook for Client Committees and Barnevernet's victims)

  

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Demonstrations on 11 June 2016


Oslo:    200+ protesters
 – Short piece on the news of NRK, with cuts from the procession up Karl Johan Street, and statements by May Lund Nikolaisen, Jan Simonsen, Tomas Zdechovsky
 – Rune Fardal's speech (The , which was somewhat abbreviated at the demonstration)
 – Ken Joar Olsen's speech, Norwegian speech, English texting

  
  

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