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https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 5501321741

There is an awakening going on.
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Here are some family photos of the loving family:

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Here is also an article or interview with the loving mother about her care work outside the family:

http://napha.no/content/13047/Mener-kja ... elvskading

Since there is a risk that such articles are attempted removed, I have copied it.
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Demonstrations planned and carried out



Christian Post, 11 December 2015

"On a Facebook page established to raise awareness for the family's situation, the Bodnarius announced that supporters are planning to carry out peaceful protests outside of the Norwegian embassies in a number of Western nations that will attempt to put pressure on Norwegian diplomats to urge the Barnevernet to release the children.
    "We would like to act in an organized, legal, and peaceful manner, as we wish to continue being a testimony for the world," a Facebook post states. "In this regard, I assure you, we are currently getting organized and WE will announce the place and the time of the picketing, alongside additional details, at the right moment."
    The Facebook post also explains that supporters are working to secure the ability to protest in other major cities in the United Kingdom, Ireland, United States, Belgium, Spain, Netherlands and even in Norway."


On facebook it also says that there has been a demonstration in Moldova, in front of the Hungarian Embassy there, since Hungary also represents Norway in Moldova.

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The demonstration in Bucuresti:



Around 600 demonstraters gathered in front of Norwegian Embassy in Bucharest to protest Child Protection Service (Barnevernet).
The Nordic Page, 20 December 2015


Excellent posters!

Norway, return the children to the Bodnariu family!

Reunite the Bodnariu family

Children belong to the family

Norway, do not separate Bodnariu family!

Children are to be raised by family, not by the state

Norway, stop child kidnapping!

Barnevernet = family destroyer

Barnevernet – childhood killer

  

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Film on youtube from the demonstration in Bucharest:


Norway, Return the Children to Bodnariu Family, 22 December 2015

Romanian speech, texting in English.

  

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The usual "information" about Norwegian child protection, now from the Norwegian Embassy in Romania


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Royal Norwegian Embassy in Bucharest, 29 December 2015

This is supposed to calm Romanians down, to assure the demonstrators for the Bodnariu family on 19 December, and all of Romania, that all is right in Norway, the "best country on earth".

"In 2014, approximately 53.000 children received measures from the child welfare service in Norway. More than eight out of ten of these cases were voluntarily assistive measures for children and families. This is the preferred solution. Help may be provided in the form of advice and guidance to parents on parental practices, counselling, economic aid, kinder garden etc."
(They mean "kindergarten".)

In what way is this relevant to the cases in which the children are taken away from their parents?
    The intention of Norwegian authorities is of course that this "information" shall convince foreigners that if there are so few cases in which the children are taken away from their parents, that "proves" that in the cases where the children are taken, the offences of the parents must have been very serious indeed. – This is far from the truth.


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•  A care order is issued by the County Social Welfare Board or District Court and only when the child is subject to serious neglect, maltreatment or abuse. Additionally the care order must be necessary and in the best interest of the child.
•  Placing a child outside the home without the parents’ consent is always a measure of last resort. A recent Council of Europe report shows that Norway is in the low range of countries with respect to the number of children in alternative care.  
•  Parents are entitled to a due process, including a lawyer paid for by the government, the right to be heard and the right to appeal the decision of the Board to the District Court. Parents can once a year file for a revocation of the care order.  "


In what way has the confiscation of the Bodnariu children been "a measure of last resort"? And how will it help children traumatised by being deprived of their parents that their parents "have the right" to appeal once a year? And that in a process which is practically guaranteed not to lead to the return of the children or to any other improvement?


"The child welfare service in the municipalities handles child welfare cases. The Ministry does not have the authority to intervene nor instruct the child welfare services in individual child welfare cases."

This is an arrangement Norway has made for itself. Added to the "confidentiality" obligation, which makes it easy for superordinate authority on all levels to say they do not know anything about specific cases, this makes it possible for them to wash their hands and declare that they can do nothing and that they trust the local CPS and the courts. It does not seem to occur to Norwegians to change rules and legislation which is so obviously unsuited to take care of the rights of children and parents.

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The whole rigmarole dished out by Norwegian embassies is of course extremely well-known to people who have seen the Norwegian CPS (child protection services) over many years. Foreigners, however, especially those who come across this for the first time, need to understand that there is indeed a difference between what Norwegian authorities say and what they do or allow to be done.

Foreign politicians and authorities need to realise clearly: In CPS matters in Norway, it does not matter what kind of assurances politicians or the Ministry or anybody in local administrations give. It is all words. The purpose of the CPS is to keep the children and all kinds of talk of court procedures, of the prohibition of disclosing information, all sorts of "information" and discussions, suit Norway down to the ground, because it delays the realisation of this by the family and by foreign lawyers, politicians and states and so allows the upset to die down and the case to fade from general interest.

  
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Ironically enough, the website of the Norwegian Embassy in Bucharest in its section for Norwegians and kept in Norwegian language, preserves to this day an informational announcement from 5 November 2012 with the heading (Compensation arrangement for former CPS children). It says that Akershus county on 1 November 2012 opened a new compensation procedure for former CPS children who were subject to care failure and abuse while placed in institutions or foster homes in the period from 1980 up to and including 2003. The county's secretariat will process applications up to 1 November 2014.

There have been several rounds of such compensation procedures in most municipalities and counties of Norway previously too. At the same time the CPS continue their practice. If anybody points out that these compensation cases are revealing, the standard reply is that "That was in institutions and foster homes long ago. Everything is quite different now." I can remember that being said around 1995, about compensation covering the years about 1950-1970. It has been repeated ad nauseam, while the period for which it is admitted that abuse and negligence has taken place in the care of the CPS has crept up towards the present. Here, compensation is offered for "care" carried out up to 9 years before.

Some measure of schizophrenia seems to be endemic among the politicians and bureaucrats of Norway no less than among the rest of the Norwegian population.

**  13 January 2016:
This version has been replaced by the Embassy by a revision:


A piece from 14 December of last year has been moved to the top of the Embassy's webpage – painting a rosy picture:

As we see, this article ends by bringing up the matter of "Norway Grants" – money from Norway. Norway has for a long time been active providing money and sending personnel to teach other countries how to do social work, including child protection. They are eagerly pursuing this e.g in the Baltic states and the Czech Republic.

  
    

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Christian Post, 31 December 2015


"After the family's appeal of the Barnevernet's removal of their children was denied in late November, a Barnevernet representative told the family on Dec. 15 that the agency would like to evaluate Ruth and Marius to determine what kind of people they are.
    Although the agency said the evaluation would not be conducted until February, the family was also informed that the Barnevernet has already begun the process to have their children adopted by other families."


"The Bodnarius are not alone in fighting the Barnevernet to get their children back. Ionescu stated that the Barnevernet has a history of abusing its power. Ionescu cited the Radulescu family, who beat the agency in a case before the Supreme Court of Norway two years ago. Although the family won the case, Barnevernet is still going to list their children for adoption.
    "Barnevernet is going ahead with the process of adoption because they say that such a long time has passed and now it is going to be traumatic for the children to be returned to their parents," Ionescu said."


While it is certainly true that the Norwegian CPS (Barnevernet) disobey the courts if they can, and frequently manage to start up another or a further case if they lose a previous one, the information given here about a previous case seems very unclear. If a family has won their children back from Barnevernet in the Supreme Court, how would Barnevernet be able to have the children adopted away? Adoption is a judicial process and such a process cannot go against a previous Supreme Court judgment, I would think. It must be that the family won about something else than having their children returned to them?
  
The article also refers to Pastor Cristian Ionescu in Chicago, who will organise the protest in Washington on 8 January and says they will continue to protest in the Bodnariu case until the children are returned to the Bodnariu parents.
    It is very unlikely that any kind of publicity or protest will have any effect at all on Norwegian authorities. Probably the only thing which might work, would be for other countries in a position to harm Norwegian interests, e.g trade, would actually do so. No amount of friendly pow-wow will get the Norwegians away from talking generalities just like the embassy did three days ago (the posting just above).

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Delight in Truth, 29 December 2015

"During their arrest and interview, the Bodnariu parents Marius and Ruth were repeatedly threatened and coerced to say and do unethical things, and admit things they never said or did.
    In fact, two Barnevernet social workers tried to coerce Ruth to lie that Marius is a violent man. Barnevernet promised that if she lies/testifies that Marius is a violent man, and if she divorces Marius, then they will return the 5 children to her alone.
    Is this how Barnevern “helps” families in Norway?
    This constitutes a violation of Norwegian law, international law, Geneva convention guidelines and basic human rights!!!
    This is the monster the Bodnarius are fighting."


This article has a comments section and there are some interesting comments!
  
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The text about adoption here also:


My Informs, 1 January 2016

The article has a comments section.


  

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"More than eight out of ten of these cases were voluntarily assistive measures for children and families."

We fled Norway few years ago, just missing the chance of contributing to the number of forced measures by the CPS.

On the contrary, in the statistics we contribute by being part of the group "voluntary measures" over a period of several years.

For those reading the statistics without questions, we are among the families who received help.

For those willing to go behind the statistics, we have been traumatized, we have "voluntarily" received measures without any positive effect (due to fear of loosing our children), and we have been monitored.

One might be aware that "voluntary measures" also serves as a recruitment area where families are being observed until a certain share of them proceed to forced measures ( i.e. having their children put into foster care).

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"In fact, two Barnevernet social workers tried to coerce Ruth to lie that Marius is a violent man. Barnevernet promised that if she lies/testifies that Marius is a violent man, and if she divorces Marius, then they will return the 5 children to her alone.
Is this how Barnevern “helps” families in Norway?"

The answer is yes.


In our case they did some of the same; first I was told I had to move out from my wife and our children, if we wanted to avoid the risk of the children being taken as an acute measure. Some months thereafter, my wife was forced to separate formally. If not, the CPS would not withdraw the case taking the kids away from us/her, a matter which was supposed to be dealt with a week later by the County Board.

It is hard to believe, but it is what happened. And that is why I dont have any problem accepting that they might have done this to the Rumanian family.


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The Roumania Journal, ca 23 December 2015

"The Ombudsman was notified ex officio on the case of the five children taken away from Romanian Bodnariu family in Norway. “The Ombudsman addressed to the Norway Kingdom’s National Ombudsman and to the Norwegian Child Ombudsman to get clarifications,” reads a press release on Wednesday."

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The Roumania Journal, ca 20 December 2015

"  The Romanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MAE), through its embassy in Oslo, informs 'it knows and monitors the case'.
   'The Romanian diplomatic mission in Oslo has been permanently in contact with the family to provide it with support and consular assistance. At the same time, the Embassy is taking the necessary steps upon the officials of the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and of the Norway’s Parliament. The children’s parents have hired a lawyer specialized in such cases at their expense (…),' reads MAE press release.
    The ministry in Bucharest also says that, considering the family’s special request to avoid coverage of the case’s details, it cannot unveil further information.
    'Romania’s Embassy in Oslo is closely monitoring the case’s evolution and is ready to keep providing the necessary consular assistance, within the limits of the legal attributions and by respecting the Norwegian legal framework, which comprises specific procedural directives and rules, different from the Romanian law regarding the child’s right protection,' MAE note concludes.  "


It sounds like Roumanian officials accept everything Norway dishes out about laws, procedures etc etc, at face value? So have other countries' embassies done before – for a while, until some of their own masters at home are outraged at what Norway does and manage to have their embassies instructed differently.
    Clarification and monitoring is unlikely to have any impact on Norway, and keeping details of the case from publication will give moralistic Norway a great advantage. The apparently weak stand of official Roumania so far brings into focus the very clear advice of the group in India which addressed the whole problem of Western style 'child protection' when the Bhattacharya case was running. They came up with, among other proposals for the Indian Human Rights Commission:

"  (a) The Government of India designates a committee or department with representatives in all embassies, consulates and missions abroad with the duty of responding to the plight of Indian children caught in care proceedings abroad. Such committee or department to have well- defined and transparent procedures for the receipt, investigation and expeditious disposal of petitions from children or the relatives of children who have been placed under state care, foster care or have been institutionalised or given away in adoption in or consequent to child care proceedings abroad; or are under actual or threatened confiscation, whether interim, temporary or permanent, in child care investigations or proceedings abroad;
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(c) The Government of India issues a travel advisory drawing the attention of Indians planning to travel abroad, even for holidays or medium term stay, to the severe and confiscatory nature of foreign child protection laws;
(d) The Government of India sensitises its embassies, consulates and missions abroad of the human rights concerns with the confiscatory powers of child welfare services of the developed world and instruct them to gather information about child welfare care laws and about lawyers, activists, language interpreters and other persons who can be of assistance to Indians facing confiscatory child care proceedings or investigations.  "







  

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Demonstrations are planned in several cities around the world
over the Bodnariu case:


January 8        Washington, DC
January 8        England
January 9        Romania
January 9        Belgium
January 9        Germany
January 9        Canada
January 10      Spain
January 16      Czech Republic
January 17      India
January 30      Poland

From India I am told that there will be a demonstration in New Delhi and that they will also try to arrange one in Kolkata. Cf the photos from the first large demonstration against Norwegian Barnevern: reportedly about 6000 people took part in Kolkata when Stavanger barnevern had confiscated the Bhattacharya-children:




They will be followed here:



  

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Jan Simonsen:

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A Norwegian version of the article was published on 4 January 2016.

  

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Romania seeks repatriation of the children

A suggestion from Romanian authorities that the children be repatriated to their father's family in Romania:


Agrepres, Romanian National News Agency, 9 January 2016

"Upon the Foreign Ministry's request, the Romanian National Authority for Child Rights Protection and Adoption (ANDPCA) ordered a social inquiry, following which it decided to propose the Norwegian part the integration of the children into the father's extended family in Romania.
    The entire documentation provided by the ANPDCA was sent in a fast-track procedure through the Romanian Embassy in Oslo to all the relevant Norwegian authorities, as well as to the family's lawyer, to be used in the ongoing legal procedure in local courts."


This suggestion will no doubt give Norwegian authorities great trouble. The same was proposed for Eva Michaláková's children: that they should be allowed to go to their extended family in Czechia. Instead, the Norwegian court ousted Eva and the whole family from their lives totally; Norway wants it to be forever.

If Norwegian authorities now let the Bodnariu children go, the Czechs will no doubt understand even more clearly what Norwegian protection of children amounts to. If, on the other hand, they do not let the Bodnariu children go to their extended family, the Romanians will understand the same as the Czechs already have.
  
  

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Jan Simonsen's article


has now turned up on the internet in Romania, in Rumenian:

Cuvântul Ortodox, 10 January 2016

It also links to the English version in Prague Post.
There is a very stirring illustration of monster devils carrying children in cages!
Already there are several comments under the article.

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Parts of the article are printed here on a Rumanian blog, with a link to Cuvântul Ortodox:

agnus dei – englisn + romanian blog, 10 January 2016

Here is another description and linking to Cuvântul Ortodox:

active news Știri nefiltrate, 11 January 2016


Description and further links on a number of blogs etc, e.g:


m b1 TV, 11 January 2016


Stiri Live, 11 January 2016

  
Lupul Dacic, 11 January 2016
 

Newsnet Crestin, 11 January 2016
  

Armonia Magazine – USA, 11 January 2016


Nașul TV, 11 January 2016


Forumul Softpedia, 11 January 2016


  

    

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 Post subject: Re: The five children of a Romanian family taken in Norway
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:27 pm 
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Norwegian Pentecostalists: Our child protection is fine!

"Korsets Seier" (The Victory of the Cross) is content as long as Pentecostalists in Norway are not treated any worse than others in the power of the child protection agency (CPS).

(Pentecostalists are not persecuted by the CPS)
«Vi har ikke grunnlag for å tro at vi blir behandlet annerledes enn andre», skriver Lederrådet. (We do not have any reason to believe that we are treated differently from others)
Korsets Seier, 13 January 2016

"… til den generelle situasjonen i Norge vil vi uttale vi opplever at norske myndigheter, inkludert barnevernet, behandler ulike religiøse grupper på en rettferdig og god måte." (… about the general situation in Norway we wish to express that we experience Norwegian authorities, the CPS included, to treat different religious groups in a just and good way.")

The leader Sigmund Kristoffersen:
"KRISTOFFERSENS OPPGJØR: «Jeg er forskrekket over mistenksomheten, frykten og feiltolkningene»." (KRISTOFFERSEN'S CONFRONTATION: 'I am shocked at the suspiciousness, the fear and the wrong interpretations'.)

So they are just as bad as the editorial staff in the Norwegian Christian newspapers Dagen and Vårt Land, in other words. Cf , , , , .

The way "Christians" in Norway act (or rather avoid to act) in relation to the CPS and to the victims of the CPS is no positive advertisement for a Christian view of life. But, their showing it so clearly is just as well, so that families exposed to the CPS know that there is nothing to hope for from these declared disciples of Christ here in our outpost in the north.

These self-declared custodians of the teaching of the spokesman for the Samaritans ought perhaps to look to a few foreigners who understand more than they do themselves. Not that everyone abroad understands that CPS abuse is a general system, something which can hit anyone. Not that every Christian abroad is interested in the fate of the families if they are not persecuted primarily for their faith. But some do understand. Here is a commentator to Jan Simonsen's article recently:

"…  I am surprised that those leaders in your country do not understand the real situation.
    I've been at both meetings, the first one in Bucharest and the yesterday one in Washington DC, trying to raise the awareness for not only the case of Bodnariu family, but for the case of those "3 - 4 children" that "are taken from their parents" every day.
    I pray and look forward for a wake up in not only Norway but in other countries in the same situation as Norway is now.

Best regards/Met vriendelijke groeten/Sincere greetings/Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Cu stima,
Florian Peretz
Worldwide Romanian Christian Businessmen & Professionals Fellowship (WRCBF)- President
Asociatia Christian Businessmen and Professionals of Romania (ACBPR)- Founder and Honorary President"


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Another comment, by Adina og Marcus Dumitru, Lima, Peru:

"Basicaly, the "information" that Norway's Ambassies are handing to foreing inquierers is just sweet lies, misdirections and propaganda. The issue is we have with you, NORWAY, is not what your law says, but what your CPS does, that is just wicked. NO STATE SHOULD HAVE DIRECT RESPONSANILITIES OF MINORS, BUT THROUGH THEIR PARENTS! HANDS OFF from ANY children, whatever the case!"

  

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 Post subject: Re: The five children of a Romanian family taken in Norway
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:58 pm 
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Insightful article by a Romanian living in Norway:

Emi Zarnescu:

Jurnal de Nord, 13 January 2016

  

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