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Here it comes – the parliamentary proposal of criminalising taking children back from acute / temporary placement away from the family


Representantforslag 71 S (2014-2015) (Midlertidig) (Proposal from parliamentary representative 71 S (2014-2015) (Temporary)
Stortinget, 12 March 2015


It has been clear for some time that this would come, cf that the question was taken up by our authorities in connection with the case of the Lithuanian boy Gabrielius:
especially points 4 and 5 here and
Written question from Jenny Klinge (Sp) to the Minister of Justice and Public Security, 4 - 5 February 2015. We should note that Jenny Klinge's proposal, stating that there is a lack of sanctions to take parents before a criminal court as long as the children have been taken by the CPS on the basis of a temporary decision, says that this lack "innebærer at mindreårige som er omfattet av et akuttvedtak truffet av barnevernet, har et dårligere strafferettslig vern enn andre barn" (means that minors subject to an acute decision taken by the CPS have less protection in criminal law than other children).

How many naïve souls in Norway do still believe that the child protection services (CPS) intervenes only when it is absolutely necessary, after a long dialogue with the parents and after supportive measures have been tried … etc etc etc ?

  

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Lithuania and Norwegian child protection on the news in Norway

On the 7 o'clock news on national tv (nrk) in Norway last night, 12 April 2015, there was a 7 minutes long report about Norwegian child protection services (CPS) and Lithuania's views on it. Much of the program is referred here:

Norsk barnevern slaktes i Litauen (Norwegian child protection is slaughtered in Lithuania)
nrk Verden, 12 April 2015

As usual, the Norwegian, state-subservient media succeeded in presenting the issue in such a way that the Norwegian ambassador in Vilnius, and the Norwegian authorities, come out as the essence of good, dependable sense, while the Lithuanians are presented as uninformed and foolish. To the degree that Lithuanians were interviewed, they were:

• either superficially informed people in the streets (although one man said that his brother with family had just left Norway because of trouble with the CPS),

• or a short glimpse of a parliament member Aurelia Stancikienè, who was critical of Norway, while the program took care also to bring us the information that the Lithuanian government had full confidence in Norwegian CPS,

• or a longer sequence with an interpreter Neringa Ozolina, who was hot on the 'explanation' that in Norway there was so much in-breeding in the form of marriages between cousins and even brother and sister that we had an excessive number of children born with Downs or other 'deficiencies' and needed new genes, plus needed to boost our population. (Not Norway but Sweden some years ago legalised sex and marriage between half-siblings.)

The reporter did not neglect to say that Norway has no higher incidence of genetic defects than other countries. (One probable reason why Lithuanians may think so, is that Norway has, I am glad to say, developed away from the primitive attitude of hiding handicapped children from view as if they are something to be ashamed of.) So the news program, conducted by journalist Tormod Strand, managed to present Lithuanians as fairly senseless.

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The Norwegian ambassador to Lithuania, Dag M. Halvorsen, was given quite a bit of interview time to explain how much of the embassy's time had now been consumed by child protection questions. He sort of just had to shake his head at all that the Lithuanians believed about Norway, and he had now hired a PR bureau to present Norway's case.

The fact that Norway has to use advertising professionals to try and stem criticism is of course encouraging. Norway is no doubt alarmed that not every word of milk and honey about Norway is accepted without question. Ambassador Halvorsen's upset actually reminded me quite a bit of an interview Norwegian tv did with a Norwegian diplomat in Russia about child protection, in which the exasperated representative of the Norwegian embassy in Moscow complained that they had 'informed' the Russians about Norwegian CPS but it did not seem to sink in with the Russians!

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There was not a word about the boy Gabrielius. Demonstrators outside the Norwegian embassy held up posters and I saw his name mentioned there, but Norwegian tv did not mention his case or that of any individual. Clever of Norwegian tv – the sure way of making people sympathise, perhaps understand, would be to show living individuals experiencing Norwegian child protection as a tragedy.

So Norwegian tv certainly did the dirty on the Lithuanians there. But Lithuania, like the Czech Republic and Russia, also opens itself and its case to quite serious criticism:

Why on earth do serious Lithuanians, e.g parliamentary representatives, not inform themselves properly about the principles of Western child protection and the scientific theories, assumptions and speculations held by the psychology that underpin it? The reason why Norwegian CPS acts as it does lies there, in clear daylight (e.g in the Raundalen committee's report) for everyone to see.

Why do they, like the Russians, guess wildly and ruminate about weird causes of CPS actions? It shows Norwegian authorities that Lithuania is badly informed and therefore not dangerous – Norway can run rings around them.

  

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Here is an older article from Molde (the town of the Gabrielius case) which my search did not find before. The photo is good, with clearly visible texts on the posters. – One poster says: "Vi TROR at GABRIELIUS kommer HJEM i dag", which sadly never happened, of course.

Demonstrerte mot barnevernet (Demonstrated against the CPS)
– La litauen ta over, var budskapet fra 30 demonstranter i Molde mandag morgen. (Let Lithuania take over, was the message from 30 demonstrators in Molde on Monday morning.)
Romsdals Budstikke, 9 February 2015

On the posters:
"Taushetsplikt verner maktovergripere, ikke barn" (Laws of confidentiality protects abusers of power, not children)
"Norge er kjent for 'BARNEVERN' over hele verden. HARALD! Er du stolt?" (Norway is reputed for 'child protection' all over the world. HARALD! Are you proud?) "Harald" obviously refers to the king.
"Barnevernet bryter barnevernsloven" (The CPS violates the child protection law)
"Gi Gabrielius tilbake til Litauen" (Give Gabrielius back to Lithuania)

  

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Another unafraid suggestion from Lithuania, from a member of parliament:

MEP calls for international search of Lithuanian boy taken from family by Norway's child services
Delfi, by the LIthuanian Tribune, 12 March 2015

Mr Valentinas Mazuronis' initiative ties in well with what we heard from the Lithuanian parliament in a previous article: Group of MPs want Lithuanian government to pick a fight with Norway over children's welfare from 18 February. It is a good thing that many Lithuanians do not accept the Norwegian way of 'protecting' children.

He "… addressed the Lithuanian minister of the interior, requesting to find a Lithuanian child who was taken away from his mother in Norway.
…. I believe that Lithuanian institutions must attend to their citizens and to do everything to find the child," said Mazuronis.
…… The Lithuanian MEP asked the interior minister to invoke all available resources, including an international search warrant, to find the Lithuanian child and return him to Lithuania."


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The suggestion of an international warrant is appealing. It is about time to turn tables on Norway, which pursues foreign children when they have escaped with their families back to their countries of origin, Norway claiming to have a right to the custody of these children, in charge of the state's child protection services, of course.
  
  

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Here, the 'explanation' of the case: inbreeding and its effect on the population, has reached the UK.

Norway 'is taking foreign children away from their parents because it has the highest rates of inbreeding in the world': Country forced to deny claims after Lithuanian child is taken into care
Mail Online, 14 April 2015


The same:
Lithuanian Talk Show Berates Norway for Seizing Foreign Children
Sputnik News, 13 April 2015


A couple of days later this has reached the Norwegian press. This reporter is uninformed, as shown by her saying that the Bhattacharya case is one year old:
- Norge tvunget til å benekte innavl-påstander (Norway forced to deny allegations of inbreeding)
Nettavisen, 15 April 2015

  

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The Gabrielius case is also drawing interest in Russian media. An article in Russian on the site Regnum.ru on 12 March:

Способ борьбы с изъятием детей в Норвегии: Отобрали? Объяви международный розыск
Regnum, 12 March 2015

is about initiatives by Valentinas Mazuronis. Here is an English translation of it (provided by Nemo1024 in the thread Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State). I thank Nemo1024 for permission to use the translation, and I hope Regnum will forgive me for posting it here – no infringement of Regnum's copyright is intended.

How to fight child kidnapping in Norway: They took the child away? File an international missing person report.

Member of European Parliament from Lithuania Valentinas Mazuronis appealed to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Lithuania with a request to find in Norway a citizen of Lithuania, Gabrielyus Bumbulis, whom social services of Norway took away from the mother and deprived of her parental rights, a REGNUM correspondent reports today, March 12. To do this, the MP proposes to launch international search of the child.

"I wrote to the Minister of the Interior Skvernyalisu with a request to find a minor citizen of our country, because neither his family nor the Lithuanian Embassy in Norway, nor Lithuanian institutions responsible for protecting the rights of children, have any information about him or his current place of residence or protection of his rights. I think the establishment of Lithuania should take care of its citizens and do everything so that the child is found, "- said Mazuronis.

It is stated in the appeal of the MEP to the Interior Minister that the Norwegian institutions do not provide Lithuanian institutions for the protection of children's rights and the embassy with information on the whereabouts of a citizen of Lithuania, Bumbulisa, and do not allow the representatives of these institutions and close relatives of Bumbulisa to meet, communicate, or make sure that his rights, interests and safety are observed.

The appeal emphasizes that neither the courts of Lithuania, or Norway deprived the mother Bumbulisa Leshchinskene of maternal rights. She was deprived of these rights by the decision of the county commission from Møre and Romsdal , which, according to lawyers, although it has the right to decide questions of custody of children in Norway, is not a judicial body.


  

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Something about the Gabrielius-case has caught the attention of a German article from a couple of months back. The argument is a little on one side, a little on the other, about differences in culture etc. I really cannot find that the article questions the truth content in the accusations which so often are directed by the child protection agencies against parents.
    Note: The writer has a Lithuanian mail address, and lives, or is currently staying, in Lithuania.
  

Holger Lahayne:
Flucht vor den Kinderschützern (Flight from the child protectors)
Die Freie Welt, 13 February 2015

   

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Here is a news article in Lithuania about the Norwegian ambassador hiring a PR firm to improve Norway's reputation:

Norwegian Embassy hires PR firm to tackle bad press in Lithuania
Delfi, by The Lithuania Tribune, 14 April 2015

"Following bad press that Norway's child welfare services received in Lithuania for restricting parenting rights of a Lithuanian mother, the country's embassy in Vilnius has hired a public relations agency to improve the country's image."


From the ambassador's statements it seems that Norway is very concerned about cooperation and friendship between the two countries, not equally about the way Gabrielius and his family are being treated.

A sentence at the end of the article repeats:
"Barnevernet actions have gotten negative press in the Lithuanian media."

Let us hope it does not die down. It is actually promising that polititians (and others) from Lithuania have contacted the Czech Republic, and that the Council of Europe is coming up with a report (cf A very important report is comig from the Council of Europe).

The article is open for comments. One clicks on the red number (1) after the article's title.

  

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Few or many children taken from Lithuanian families in Norway?

The child protection services now present a statistic from the official source Statistisk sentralbyrå (Statistics Norway) showing that children from Lithuania, Latvia and Poland are taken by the Norwegian child protection services less frequently than Norwegian children:

Litauiske barn overtas sjelden av barnevernet (Lithuanian children are rarely taken over by the CPS)
"Litauen er i harnisk over norske omsorgsovertakelser. Men barn av litauere overtas bare halvparten så ofte som barn av nordmenn, ifølge tall fra barnevernet." (Lithuania is enraged by Norwegian taking into care. But children of Lithuanians are taken into care only half as often as children of Norwegians, according to figures from the CPS.)
Fontene, 17 April 2015

Some comparisons are given:
"• Litauen: 2,8 per 1000
• Latvia: 3,5 per 1000
• Polen: 2,1 per 1000
• Russland: 8,6 per 1000
• Til sammenlikning er det gjennomført omsorgsovertakelse for 6,9 per 1000 norske barn uten innvandrerbakgrun[n].
(Tallene, som gjelder barn innvandret til Norge per 1. januar 2013, ble publisert av Statistisk sentralbyrå i mars 2015)"

(• Lithuania: 2.8 per 1000
• Latvia: 3.5 per 1000
• Poland: 2.1 per 1000
• Russia: 8.6 per 1000
• In comparison, taking into care has been done for 6.9 per 1000 Norwegian children with no immigrant background.
(The figures, which pertain children immigrated to Norway per 1 January 2013, were published by Statistisk sentralbyrå in March of 2015) )


Nina Langfeldt has entered a couple of sensible comments in the comment column under the article. It remains to be seen how long such comments, critical to the CPS, are allowed to stand on the website of Fontene, which is the organ of the trade union of child protection workers. In my experience, they have previously been rather resolute in removing criticism.

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The most interesting aspect is probably what these figures will be used for by the child protection circles. The writer of the article not surprisingly points to the surmise in Lithuania that Norway is out to get "healthy" genes for its population. Taken in conjunction with the information of how few Lithuanian children have been taken by the CPS, this is probably aimed at showing how uninformed and unreliable Lithuanians are about Norwegian child protection, plus reassure Lithuanians about Norwegian CPS.

However, it seems natural to turn one's thoughts about numbers around somewhat:

When it comes to CPS questions, business as usual on the part of all Norwegian authorities and authority-subservient groups, such as the Ministry, politicians and the CPS themselves, is to refuse to discuss single, concrete cases. If challenged on this point so that they have to answer, they claim to be protecting the family and in particular the children. Whether the family publicises its side of the case or not, while the authorities keep silence, an implicit allegation is conveyed of shameful things having passed in the family, of the family keeping these shameful matters secret, and of the children as being ashamed of their family. This is rarely the reality. Most CPS victims are loving families who want to be together, and the result for the children of the "care" and "help" of the CPS is generally very bad. The CPS actions against children and families is the shameful fact and our authorities and our politicians, who protect and boost these child protection services are the ones who ought to be ashamed.

Realistic exposure of the destinies of all the families affected is prevented by official Norway refusing to face concrete facts about single cases, and relying instead on figures and general arguments. When, for example, the number of children taken into care increases, the impression conveyed without words is that the reason lies in more and more parents being violent, abusive or drug addicts, or else that the CPS are succeeding in exposing more and more such cases in which children have a horrible time at home. The reality is probably rather that increases are due to the CPS receiving even more political, legal and other support to take children, support given in extreme trust in the CPS's assessments always being "in the best interest of the child" and their account always being truthful, and that parents are on principle unimportant for their children.

Of course, it is in reality quite revealing that there are, parallel to the steady increase in CPS actions, an increase in compensation arrangements for "former children in CPS care who have been exposed to abuse and neglect" both in the CPS's private foster homes and in CPS institutions. The time limits for what is accepted as "former" har been drawing steadily closer; in some districts they cover cases up to some years into the 2000s. But Norwegian ideology about our own excellence is not concerned to reveal anything.

The fact that Norwegian authorities carry out their "protection" of children in this way give Lithuanians an extra opportunity to understand what conditions are like in Norway: The way Gabrielius and his family are being treated, the way the 9-year-old Lithuanian girl and her mother have been treated, that is the way an even larger percentage of children of Norwegian descent are treated. They are comforting the Lithuanians by telling them that there are relatively fewer of them who are treated like that than there are of Norwegian children.

Lithuanians should not let themselves be appeased by any suggestion that this should be some kind of proof that Norwegian CPS is sensible, humane, beneficial or favourable to children, or that they "only take children away from their family when absolutely necessary and after every other kind of help has been attempted".


Two interesting pieces of information have recently come my way:

(a) In Estonia people have begun to question the advance of Western style child protection in their country. They are apparently concerned that ideas of "what kind of conditions a child ought to be offered" leads or will lead to the CPS taking children from poor people. – Their fear is entirely realistic.

(b) Lithuanian media has apparently reported that six families, originally from Lithuania but having lived in Norway for some time, have lately left Norway because they have been approached by Norwegian CPS. – It sounds as very sensible realism. If only Norwegian families too would leave the country in time!


  

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One more very negative development – but it was to be expected:

Norway to implement the Hague convention on child abduction –
unfortunate development for families targeted by the child protection authorities



  

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Very good news indeed:

Lithuania won't hand back child taken away from Norwegian foster carers, police say
A Lithuanian child taken away from his foster carers in Norway and secretly driven to Lithuania and his mother will not be handed over to Norway, a spokesman for the Police Department said.
Delfi, by The Lithuania Tribune, 25 April 2015


The article does not say whether this is Gabrielius or another child, but anyway it is wonderful news! At least one mother and son have been reunited. When Norway will not act humanely, then resolute action from Lithuania has helped keep their own citizens safe. Congratulations to this mother and child on belonging to a better state than Norway!

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The website Barnevern.org has more information and is very well updated! Apparently, this is not Gabrielius, it is a boy Jonavoje and his mother Kristinos Vaitkevičienės:
Litauisk barn trygt tilbake i Litauen (Lithuanian child back safely in Lithuania)
Barnevern.org, 25 April 2015

Barnevern.org also reports: "According to the media he was taken from his mother because he had got into a fight with another boy at school." When one knows something of what Norwegian child protection is like, one also knows that such an incident can very well be the sole reason why he was taken by the child protection agency. The Norwegians will of course place the blame for the fighting on the mother.

Also:

Baltikum sier at Norge, UK og Finland har stjålet deres barn (The Baltic states say that Norway, the UK and Finland have stolen their children)
Barnevern.org, 23 April 2015

Baltic States Say Norway, UK and Finland Have Stolen Their Children
Newsweek, 23 April 2015

Authorities in Lithuania looking for boy in Norway
Barnevern.org, 13 March 2015

  

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Demonstrations against Norwegian child protection in many cities on 30 May 2015.
The child protection system will also be a theme in the European Union on 2 June



Europeiske demonstrasjoner mot det norske barnevernet (European demonstrations against the Norwegian child protection agency)
Nettavisen, 24 May 2015


Demonstrations in Norway are planned in
Oslo
Stavanger
Trondhjem


In Oslo the demonstration will take place from 11 am until 3 pm, at Eidsvolls Plass outside Stortinget (Parliament).


Abroad there are demonstrations planned in
London
Dublin
Edinburgh

Stockholm
Copenhagen

Warszaw
Prague
Bratislava

Vilnius
Tallinn



Whoever can keep an eye open for possible articles in foreign newspapers, should certainly do so! Link to them on your dear facebook, by all means, but preferably not only on facebook.

    

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Some more of relevance to the demonstration on Saturday:

1)
Possibly, a Czech politician who has worked especially against Norwegian child protection abuse will come to Oslo on Saturday and be present at the demonstration here,

He is a Czech member of the EU parliament. His name is
Tomáš Zdechovský
There is quite a lot about his contribution in "the Czech thread" here on Forum Redd Våre Barn.

2)
A new article by Jan Simonsen is expected, probably tomorrow Thursday. Presumably it will be in Norwegian, though, and it is doubtful whether there is much time for anyone to translate it. Nevertheless I will link to it here.
   Jan Simonsen visits the Czech Republic quite often, has many friends and connections there, and has contributed valuably there to disseminate information about Norwegian child protection. His work, too, is referred to here, in "the Czech thread".

  
  

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English translation will be continued.


Siktelse er ikke avgjort (Charge not decided)
Sakene mot mora til gutten som ble bortført fra Molde bowling i januar, er ennå ikke påtaleavgjort hos politiet.
(The charges in the cases against the mother of the boy who was kidnapped from Molde bowling in January are yet to be decided)
Romsdals Budstikke, 13 June 2015

"En slektning kjørte gutten til utlandet, men ble pågrepet av svensk politi og gutten tilbakeført til barnevernets omsorg i Norge.
   Heller ikke bortføringsdelen av siktelsen er endelig avgjort, men det er kun en formalitet, ifølge politijuristen.
   – Den er i praksis henlagt. Siktelsen for bortføring frafalt fordi det ikke var strafferettslig grunnlag for den, sier Havdal, og viser til hullet i straffelovens paragraf 216."

(A relative drove the boy out of the country, but was taken by Swedish police and the boy was returnet to Barnevernet's care in Norway.
    Nor is the abduction part of the charge decided on, but that is just a formality, according to the police lawyer.
    – It is in fact dropped. The charge for abduction is dropped because there was no legal basis for it, says Havdal, and points to the "hole" in the penal code §216.)


The most likely thing now is for the Norwegian prosecuting authority to make the most out of the charge for a false statement to the police.

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Unexpected ray of light:

Støtter ikke lovendring for bortførte barn
– Det er trist at regjeringspartiene sier nei til å gi alle barn lik beskyttelse nå, sier Geir Inge Lien (Sp).
Romsdals Budstikke, 13 juni 2015

I motsetning til Lien og Senterpartiet ser jeg dette som et gode for foreldrene og i enda sterkere grad for barna som blir tatt ved akuttvedtak.

Tirsdag behandlet Stortinget Senterpartiets Jenny Klinges forslag om å gjøre det straffbart å bortføre egne barn dersom det er gjort akuttvedtak i barnevernet.
…. ..
Ministeren vil imidlertid vente til en oppfølging av forslagene til en arbeidsgruppe om barnebortføring, satt i gang av Stoltenberg II-regjeringa, legges fram.
   Den foreslo at den nye paragraf 261 som trer i kraft i oktober gjør det straffbart å ta med seg barn ut av landet uten barnevernets samtykke.
   Den vil fortsatt ikke gjelde barn under akuttvedtak, eller for foreldre som bortfører slike barn innenfor Norges grenser, påpeker Sp.
   I Stortinget tirsdag stemte imidlertid bare Ap, Sp og SV for.

  
  

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