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When Suranya demonstrated in Delhi

Suranya has told us how her day went:

On the day that the Norwegian Foreign Minister Børge Brende was visiting India, she fitted out her car with large posters or banners against the Norwegian child protection system (see the photos above). She drove around Delhi showing them, then parked her car close to the Norwegian embassy, where there was to be a lunch reception in honour of the Foreign Minister.

Guests coming to the reception could see the car, and so could the embassy staff. Complaints were made by the embassy to the police about the banners on her car and in a while the police arrived and asked her kindly to go away. Right – she drove off, but after driving around some blocks she returned.

While this was going on she posted on facebook, and had some 130 followers, mostly Scandinavians and Czechs (remember she sent her letters to the two embassies and to Czech media previously and got quite a few contacts in Czechia*), cheering her and sharing the photos, and joining in the criticism of the child protection services.

When she kept coming back, the police, after having given her three warnings to take herself off, brought her to the police station.

The police, after asking to be explained what she was demonstrating about, offered to escort her to the embassy to deliver her memorandum. So they all went back to the embassy, where the memorandum was handed over.

Altogether Suranya had been able to demonstrate for about four hours around Delhi and at the Norwegian embassy. At the end of the day there were over 150 people on facebook cheering and congratulating the effort, mostly Scandinavians, but it was also picked up by a Brazilian group protesting the case of a Brazilian mother who took refuge in the Brazilian embassy in Oslo (cf Brazil's Embassy helps mother and child against abuse from the child protection services and Children confiscated from parents in Norway and Sweden).

We really must pay tribute to Suranya's resourcefullness and good courage to stand up for children's and their families' rights.

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  Letter to the Czech embassy in New Delhi
  Letter to the Norwegian embassy in New Delhi

  
  

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Another two articles in Czechia:

Norwegian authorities take final step to take children from Czech mother
Český rozhlas – Radio Prague, 6 October 2015

Respekt: Czechs blame Norway for its independent offices
Prague Daily Monitor, 14 October 2015
  

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A good initiative – letter and press release:

An international message of concern
1 December 2015

Here is the letter
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A comment on the letter:

My comment
3 December 2015

  

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Mani Shankar Aiyar:
Norwegian non-humans
The Week - columns, 15 November 2015

"My hope is that as the Bhattacharya case has been supplemented by similar cases in several western countries, the Indian government should seriously consider an understanding, protocol, agreement or treaty with these countries, bilaterally or through the UN Commission on Human Rights, to sort out these issues so that parents and their children are not arbitrarily sentenced to the hell on earth of a lifetime of separation."

"A huge rumpus has blown up in the Czech Republic over similar treatment meted out to a Czech couple and their two sons. The president of the Czech Republic, no less, has responded to shocked public sentiment by cancelling the Norwegian envoy's invitation to the celebration of the anniversary of the creation of Czechoslovakia."

"There is also a growing network of Norwegian families who are joining the gathering worldwide movement. Nehru’s India would have leveraged such worldwide concern into a non-aligned initiative to recast child protection laws that need to be reconsidered in the light of implementation. A beginning has to be made somewhere, and I can think of no more opportune a moment than the visit of the Norwegian minister to India."




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Mr Aiyar's encouragement of an international initiative is very much to the point. It is to be hoped that politicians and officials in different countries affected by Western style 'child protection' go in that direction. And Norway should certainly be made an example of at an early stage.

    

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Demonstration in Prague

There are demonstrations against Norwegian child protection (CPS - "Barnevernet") in many countries now. Today there was one in Prague in the Czech Republic. Several hundred people took part. There were speeches outside the Norwegian Embassy and from there the demonstrators walked over the famour Charles Bridge, through the narrow streets of the old city, and up to the building where the Norwegian Grants administration is located. Norwegian Grants furnish money to Czechia under an agreement with the European Union. One of the things Norway wants to contribute is to teach the Czechs Norwegian type child protection. The Czech demonstrators today called out steadily: "Keep your money!"

Barnevernet ødelegger Norges anseelse ("Barnevernet" destroys Norway's reputation)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 16 January 2016

  

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Jan Simonsen's article in Prague Post is spreading:

The article "Norwegian Embassy makes gross bluff about Norwegian child protection" has been taken up by Jan-Åge Torp, cf Winning the War for the Bodnariu's against the Atrocities of Barnevernet.
Torp has re-published the English version of the article here:
  

Norwegian politician criticizes Barnevernet in Prague Post
Jan Simonsen:
Embassy makes gross bluff about Norwegian child protection
European Apostolic Leaders, 31 January 2016


Here Torp has re-published the Russian translation:

Ян Симонсен:
ПОСОЛЬСТВО НОРВЕГИИ В БУХАРЕСТЕ РИСУЕТ ГЛЯНЦЕВУЮ КАРТИНУ НОРВЕЖСКОЙ СЛУЖБЫ ЗАЩИТЫ ПРАВ ДЕТЕЙ (BARNEVERN)
European Apostolic Leaders, 31 January 2016


And here is the Romanian translation:

Jan Simonsen:
UN POLITICIAN NORVEGIAN DEZVĂLUIE PRETEXTELE FOLOSITE DE BARNAVERNET PENTRU A LUA COPIII DE LÂNGĂ PĂRINȚI: MAMA NU A TĂIAT PÂINEA DESTUL DE
European Apostolic Leaders, 31 January 2016

   

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Article in Czech by Czech politician, Member of the European Parliament, Tomáš Zdechovský:
Norway – Give us back our children
Barnevernet využíval manipulací a lží k odebrání nemocného dítěte české matce

zdechovsky.blog.idnes.cz, 16 February 2016

Down near the end of the article there is a link to a Norwegian article in Stavanger Aftenblad, critical of the Norwegian CPS, written by two young members of the city council of Stavanger, Susanne Heart and Daria Maria Johnsen.
   This illustrated the increasingly international concern over the way child protection is carried out in Norway.
  
  

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Zaorálek says there is no agreement over Norway treaty
President Zeman has new draft of a treaty concerning the Czech children in Norway.
   There is conflicting news on a draft treaty between the Czech Republic and Norway on returning Czech children to their home country.
   Czech President Miloš Zeman said that he has reached an agreement with Czech Foreign Lubomír Zaorálek on a new draft of a treaty between the Czech Republic and Norway, but Zaorálek said no such agreement exists.

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Video Appeal from European Parliament Member to Join Anti-Barnevernet Protest
Delight in Truth, 23 March 2016

"Hello friends from/of Norway.
    I am Tomáš Zdechovský (public FB photo below) member of the European Parliament.
    I would like to motivate everybody to join the demonstration which aims to stop Barnevernet"


   

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Jan Åge Torp intervjuer Jan Simonsen (Jan Aage Torp interviews Jan Simonsen)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 28 March 2016

The interview on video covers several different topics. The part about Norwegian child protection runs from 21:42 to 30:00. The coming demonstrations on 16 April are mentioned at 27:25.

  
Translations are by MH Skånland:

"This has made a lot of stir and unrest around the world, and it is high time that Norwegian politicians take it in and understand that this criticism has a reason, and that they do something about it."

"Last year, this case was taken up by parliament in the Czech Republic, which passed a resolution about what Norwegian child protection ought to be like. It was very good and Norwegian parliamentary representatives should indeed just copy it."

"Oh yes, there is no doubt that it has by and by started to put pressure on Norwegian Barnevernet and on Norwegian authorities. But it took a long time. So we must only hope that the pressure leads to more than talk, that it leads to action – at least that there will be some instruction from the Minister to Barnevernet about not executing emergency decisions without any previous investigation, and that they should act the way they – untruthfully – claim that they do, that is only to take children away from the parents when there is care failure, violence or sexual abuse.
    Because that is the answer which journalists from abroad get when they call Barnevernet. Barnevernet always says: we cannot go into individual cases, because there is an obligation to be silent, but children are only taken as an absolutely last resort.
    And that, of course, is indirectly a harsh attack on the family which has lost its child. Indirectly one says that there has been very serious care failure and violence. But it turns out in reality that that is untrue. Because most children are taken from their parents if there is what they call a lack of parental ability."

"The Minister must take an active part, must say clearly to Barnevernet that their practice must be that which they claim it to be."


  

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Fully texted version of the above:



10 April 2016



Jan-Aage Torp interviews Jan Simonsen
about Barnevern



This video interview is in Norwegian, with texting in English. Translation by Marianne Skånland.

Jan-Aage Torp interviews Jan Simonsen about Barnevern
Evgeni Dyakonov, 10 April 2016

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The original interview is 30 minutes long, covering several different topics, video by Henning Lunde, produced for Restoration Oslokirken.no, published 27 March 2016.

The part about Barnevern is reproduced here by the generous permission of Jan-Aage Torp.

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The interview part about Barnevernet:


Jan-Aage Torp:

We have talked about Barnevernet – the Norwegian child protection system.
And you live part of the year in the Czech Republic, where a strong focus has been on Norway and our system of child protection. How did this situation arise from the Czech side?


Jan Simonsen:

It started with a case concerning a Czech mother. At first there were both a mother and a father, but they are divorced now. The case started when a kindergarten nanny thought that one of their two sons had said that his father had touched him on his pyjamas, on the outside.

The result was that the two sons were taken from their parents immediately, in a so-called emergency decision, and placed with foster parents.

The there was an investigation carried out by the police, and it showed that this was not true. Nothing untoward had happened.

But the mother - who was by then divorced - did not get her children back, they were kept by the foster parents.

And a decision was passed: The mother was allowed to meet her two sons twice a year, for half an hour each time. But she was not allowed to hug them, nor to speak with them in Czech.


Torp:

Is it true?


Simonsen:

Oh yes, because they are not supposed to attach themselves to their mother again, they are to be attached to the foster parents. That is the current way of thinking.

But the grandparents came on Czech tv telling the story about this. The Grandfather misses his grandchildren terribly, of course. And it caused enormous reactions, it was all over the tv channels for a long time.

And then the journalists started investigating and showing an interest in Norwegian Barnevernet, and the politicians did too.

Then the case was taken up by the Czech National Assembly, which has passed a resolution; the Czech president has spoken in very strong condemnation, saying Barnevernet is a Nazi system; the prime minister has addressed Norway. The case has also been taken up by the Human Rights Committee of the European Parliament; there have been large demonstrations against Norway outside the Norwegian Embassy on several occasions.

Today many Czechs associate two things only with Norway: whaling and Barnevern. "Barnevern" has become a term of abuse, really. It is no longer translated into English, you see, people do not talk of a "child protective system" or anything like that, they just talk of "Barnevernet". Both in Czech and in English.


Torp:

So Norwegian "Barnevern" has become a term of insult?


Simonsen:

Yes, in Czechia, and now in Romania, and soon all over the world, it seems. For there was a sequel:

A Romanian family up in Naustdal lost their children in an emergency decision last November, on a suspicion that they had been spanked. And this was a very devoted family, a decent, Christian family. All who have voiced an opinion, relatives, friends, acquaintances of this couple, praise them highly, saying they have been such a harmonious family.

And afterwards, on the two occations when the parents have been allowed to meet their children, the children have cried and been deeply unhappy, and have wanted to go back to their parents.

It is easy to understand: Almost six months have passed, waiting for the case to come up before the court. Think how painful this has been for the family, not least how traumatic and destructive for the children already, even if – I believe, or at least I hope – the parents win in court.

Anyway, this case has led to very large demonstrations against Norwegian Barnevern in Romania and the rest of the world. In January - February, all in all some 70,000 people demonstrated against Barnevernet in 40 different cities. It is fantastic.

I took part in the demonstration and gave a talk outside the Norwegian Embassy in Prague. We called out, "Shame on Norway! Shame on Norway!" Then the procession went to the building where the distribution of Norwegian EU contributions is handled. There they shouted, "Keep your money! Keep your money!"

Altogether, then, this has made a lot of stir and unrest around the world, and it is high time that Norwegian politicians take it in and understand that this criticism has a reason, and that they must do something about it.


Torp:

You mentioned high officials and politicians who have spoken about it and you mentioned the comprehensive demonstrations. But I know that you also focus on work in the parliamentary sector, on an international level? Can you say something more about that?


Simonsen:

Last year, this case was taken up by Parliament in the Czech Republic, which passed a resolution about what Norwegian child protection ought to be like. It was very good and Norwegian parliamentary representatives should indeed just copy it!

Then, a Czech Christian-Democrat member of the EU parliament took it up, in collaboration with another parliament member from a party which could be described as a sister party of the Norwegian Progress Party.

They have since coordinated a group of parlamentarians in the EU parliament who have a group coordinating action. This matter has been up before the European Parliament at least twice, and each time there has been some support from parliamentarians from many countries.

So here we have an established system, a body which facilitates action. New demonstrations are coming: On 16 April there will be demonstrations in 10 different time zones all around the world. It is hoped, then, by the arrangers, that there will be over 100,000 people out on the streets to demonstrate against Norway.


Torp:

This simply gives hope that your contribution in international political work will lead somewhere?


Simonsen:

There is no doubt that all this has by and by started to put pressure on Norwegian Barnevernet and on Norwegian authorities. But it took a long time.

So we must hope that the pressure leads to more than talk, that it leads to action – at least that there will be some instruction from the Minister to Barnevernet about not executing emergency decisions without any previous investigation, and that they should act the way they – untruthfully – claim that they do, that is: only take children away from their parents when there is grave care failure, violence or sexual abuse.

Because that is the answer which journalists from abroad get when they call Barnevernet. Barnevernet always says: We cannot go into individual cases, because there is an obligation to be silent, but children are only taken as an absolutely last resort.

And that, of course, is indirectly a harsh attack on the family which has lost its child. Indirectly they say that there has been very serious care failure, and violence. But in reality it turns out that that is untrue. Because most children are taken from their parents if there is what they call a lack of parental ability.

And that is a subjective assessment made by some Barnevern bureaucrat or other, who believes that the mother does not have good enough eye contact with the child when Barnevernet has been visiting, or she seems nervous or something - often used arguments. So it simply isn't true.

Now, then, the Minister must take an active part, must say clearly to Barnevernet that their practice must be that which they claim it to be.


Torp:

As I have said so many times in the programs: I am happy to meet people who have opinions, and who want them to lead somewhere.

And I can really say about Jan Simonsen: This is a man who is willing to do something, to find constructive ways, to stand with people even when they have been beaten down, and help them get up.

So it has been a pleasure to meet you again, Jan Simonsen. I look forward to the next report from you.

On this note we conclude yet another edition of "The real world" with Jan-Aage Torp, here on Miracle Revival Channel.

God bless you! Until we meet again: All the best!


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Rudolf Hermann, Oslo:
Sorgerechtsentzug in Norwegen  (Taking away the right to give care in Norway)
Stiehlt der norwegische Staat Kinder?  (Does the Norwegian state steal children?)
Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 9 Mai 2016


There is particularly much in the article about Czech cases.

Comment from a Norwegian lady living in Switzerland:
"My eldest daughter just called me and told me that when she was taking the bus today she saw news about Barnevernet’s attrocities in Norway. They have these screens on public transport with short news headlines written and running all the time.Can you imagine; All of Switzerland is watching this news on all busses and trains in all of Switzerland today!!! I am so glad this is coming out! The international pressure is becoming even greater! Barnevernet cannot hide it anymore!"
Hildi, on Delight in Truth, 9 Mai 2016

And later:
"I took the bus today to look out for the news about Barnevernet. But I must have missed it. Anyway, I found this after I came back home which I guess the headline is taken from. It is from the largest and most famous newspaper in Switzerland and takes a very critical look at Barnevernet;" – Stiehlt der norwegische Staat Kinder?
Hildi, on Delight in Truth, 9 Mai 2016

    

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Zdechovsky's characterisation of Norwegian child protection


One of the best characterisations, surely, of Barnevernet in operation:

Tomas Zdechovsky:
The Case of Eva Michalakova – An Absurd Norwegian Decision
EU Business, 7 July 2016


" Seven sad lessons we can learn from the case of Eva Michalakova:

Lesson one: If the child gets used to his foster family, do not want him back.
Lesson two: If you want your child back from his foster family, you upset the foster family and then they upset children. It is all your fault and the court will take away your parental rights.
Lesson three: The Norwegian court says: Rule one: The Barnevernet is always right. Rule two: Even if the Barnevernet is not right, the rule one applies.
Lesson four: Healthy mother must lose her rights because unlike ill father she complaints to media.
Lesson five: The grand-father who did not do anything to anybody cannot see the children, because the biological grand-father is not a member of the foster family.
Lesson six: If the foster parents say that the children do not want to see their mother, it is an absolute true and it is not necessary to inspect it any further.
Lesson seven: Do not look for any logic in the decisions of the Norwegian committees or courts, there is simply not any. "



Zdechovsky seems to have published the article as member of the EPP Group in the European Parliament. Here it is as well:
The Case of Eva Michalakova – An Absurd Norwegian Decision
EPP Group in the European Parliament
EurActiv Press Release, 7 July 2016

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Referred to in Norwegian by Jan Simonsen:
En absurd norsk beslutning
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 13 July 2016

  

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Czech article about the case:

Kauza Michaláková. Matka se odvolala proti odebrání rodičovských práv k synům (The Michaáková case. The mother has appealed against being deprived of parental rights)
Český rozhlas, 15 September 2016

(Google translation does not function quite well enough to make the article clear, I think.)
  
  

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Here is an update on the case:

Jan Simonsen:
Barnevernsak havner trolig i Strasbourg (Child protection case will probably go to Strasbourg)
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 17 September 2016

"Nå er det gått mer enn 5 år og moren har ikke fått barna tilbake. De har tilpasset seg sine fosterforeldre, mener barnevernet. Og da Eva Michaláková igjen tapte i retten tidligere i år var begrunnelsen at hun hadde fortalte mediene om hvordan hun ble behandlet av barnevernet. Nå havner saken trolig i menneskerettighetsdomstolen"
(More than 5 years have passed and the mother has not got her children back. They have adapted to their foster parents, Barnevernet claims. And when Eva Michaláková lost again in court earlier this year, the reason was said to be that she had told the media how she was treated by Barnevernet. Now the case is probably going to the human rights court.)

"Støttegruppen for den tsjekkiske moren har nå sendt ut en pressemelding der det fortelles at hennes tsjekkiske advokat formelt har innlevert en anke på dommen fra juni, der tingretten fratok henne foreldrerettighetene til de to sønnene. Dersom den ikke fører frem skriver støttegruppen at saken med stor sikkerhet vil endre i den europeiske menneskerettighetsdomstolen i Strasbourg. Da trengs det nok en norsk advokat også, som har hatt saker i Strasbourg tidligere. Ikke bare er moren rammet av menneskerettighetskonvensjonens paragraf om «retten til familieliv», men også av paragrafen som skal sikre ytringsfrihet. Det er alvorlig når det blir brukt mot moren at hun har informert aviser og TV-selskap om hvordan det norske barnevernet har behandlet henne og hennes to sønner."
(The support group for the Czech mother has now issued a press statement saying that her Czech lawyer has formally appealed the judgment from June, in which the District Court deprived her of her parental rights to her two sons. If the appeal does not succeed, the support group writes that the case will more than likely end up in the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. Probably a Norwegian lawyer will be needed too, if so, one who has taken cases to Strasbourg previously. Not only has the mother been affected regarding matters covered in the Convention on Human Rights paragraph about "the right to family life" but equally by the paragraph which is to protect freedom of expression. It is serious when it is being used against the mother that she has informed newspapers and a tv company about the way Norwegian Barnevernet has treated her and her two sons.)

"Lederen for støttekomiteen, Jitka Chalánková, sier at hun vil appellere til den tsjekkiske regjeringen til å ta saken opp på nytt med den norske statsministeren og insistere på at kontakten mellom barn [og] besteforeldre [m]å gjenopptas. Hun mener at ikke er utelukket gjennom dommen i tingretten. Bestefaren, som har vært svært engasjert i saken, har tidligere vært i Norge for å få kontakt med sine barnebarn, uten å lykkes."
(The leader of the support committee, Jitka Chalánková, says that she will appeal to the Czech government to take the case up once again with the Norwegian prime minister and will insist that the contact between children and grandparents must be re-established. She says that is not impossible through the judgment in the District Court. The grandfather, who has been strongly engaged in the case, has been to Norway before, to make contact with his grandchildren, without success.)

    

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