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The Brøyn case has reached Danish media too! Berlingske's correspondent in Britain, Poul Høi, has written about it, basing his article on the BBC documentary. The article is good and comprehensive. It just exaggerates a bit the case having the status of a great scandal in Norway. If only it had!


(Huge scandal in Norway: Leading child expert was hiding a terrible secret)
Berlingske Tidende, 17 October 2018

"De norske børnemyndigheder er kommet i strid modvind. Gennem 20 år har de benyttet en psykiater som ekspert i tvangsfjernelser. Og psykiateren downloadede samtidig tusindvis af børnepornobilleder og -film. Norge kan blive tvunget til at undersøge hundredvis af sager."
(The Norwegian child authorities are in a headwind. For 20 years they have made use of a psychiatrist as expert in cases of forced removal. And at the same time the psychiatrist was downloading thousands of child-pornographic pictures and films. Norway can be forced to investigate hundreds of cases.)

That investigation will hardly be real and if any improvement comes of it in the charade of family assessments, it is a miracle, rather than the result of common sense and acknowledgement of responsibility on the part of the authorities.

But Poul Høi writes, absolutely correctly: "... og de norske politikere har generelt tiet stille."
(... and the Norwegian politicians have in general kept quiet.)

  

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Brøyn's appeal is going to be run in the Appeal Court, Borgarting lagmannsrett (Oslo), on 15 November 2018 at 0900–1200.

  

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A considerable part of this article bears on the Brøyn case or is directly about its relevance for an assessment of what this Commission really is and does:

Anonymous (commentator's article):

(The Expert Commission on Children (ECC))
Om barnevernet – Etterrettelig informasjon om barnevernet, 25 August 2018
(About Barnevernet – Dependable information about Barnevernet)

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From the appeal court case:


(Psychiatrist convicted for abuse pictures – asks to be spared prison)
Innrømmer straffskyld for oppbevaring av 4000 timer ulovlig videomateriale og rundt 200 000 ulovlige bilder.
(Admits criminal culpability for keeping 4000 hours of illegal video material and around 200,000 illegal pictures)
Dagbladet, 15 November 2018

Brøyn asks for a much reduced prison sentence, only two months, and the rest as community service. His reason for asking for a very limited time in prison is that his two children are much attached to each other and will have to live in two separate homes while he is in prison.

He says in court:
"Barna er tett knyttet til hverandre, og det er de som blir skadelidende ved å bo hvert sitt sted hvis far må i fengsel. Det kan jeg dokumentere gjennom saker fra eget arbeid, sa mannen i 50-årene i lagmannsretten."
(The children are strongly attached to each other, and they are the ones to suffer by living in separate homes if father must go to prison. I can document that through cases from my own work, said the man in his 50s in the appeal court.)

He can document the detrimental effects of children being taken away from each other as well as from their parents, from HIS OWN work?

Incredible insight! And how did he practice such insights in his work?

One's thoughts inevitably go to the children and parents he has condemned to be separated – preferably forever – such as Inez's children, where Brøyn on behalf of the Expert Commission on Children brushed off previous psychologist assessments as "too friendly to parents".

Brøyn's children are even supposed to be able to live with Brøyn's close relatives:
"Dersom han må i fengsel etter dommen, har nære familiemedlemmer påtatt seg ansvaret for barna. De kan fortsette på samme skole, men må bo i hver sine hjem."
(If he has to go to prison according to the sentence, close relatives have taken on the responsibility for the children. They can continue at the same school, but must live in separate homes.)

That is rather more generous than what ordinary children and parents separated by the CPS are forced to do.

Even more incredibly generous:
"Mannen, som oppga i retten at han nå er selvstendig næringsdrivende, er vurdert av flere nemnder og fagfolk for sin egen farsrolle etter at nedlastingssaken ble avdekket for snart to år siden.
    Ingen av instansene har konkludert med at han ikke er skikket som far eller at han har forgrepet seg på dem på noe vis."

(The man, who stated in court that he is now self-employed, has been evaluated by several boards and professional experts for his own role as a father, after the downloading case was uncovered close on two years ago.
    None of these instances have concluded that he is not fit as a father or that he has abused them in any way.)


In my opinion, Brøyn's concentrated concern, and that of many others, on his relationship to his own children, should not at all be what society should focus on. Insofar as it is relevant, it goes to how a powerful wrongdoer towards children and parents in the cps system has been making quite different demands on others (or rather has out of hand condemned their families to be destroyed, demands being irrelevant) from those he makes on himself. A very immature psychiatrist.
    Far more relevant than even this is what the whole business shows about the Expert Commission on Children (ECC) and the whole cps industry. We note that those who have looked into Brøyn's reports and assessments for the ECC, such as their leader Katrin Koch, have not in any way found them to be different from those made by all the others working for the ECC. So that makes Brøyn's work all right?! That of the others is no different? Based on the same superficial attitudes to other people and their family life, maybe?
    – People need to take note of what kind of work is produced in family affairs by venerable experts in this country, experts who hold state approval of their qualifications and practice. The Brøyn case, and the way it fails to ring the alarm anywhere among our authorities, shows quite something about the whole set and system of 'child expertise' in Norway.

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There is a shorter summary of the appeal case from NTB (the public new agency) on 15 November, in which he is not called a 'child psychiatrist' but a 'child protection psychiatrist'. Published here:


(Child protection psychiatrist asks for milder sentence in abuse case)
Barnevernspsykiateren som i april ble dømt til 22 måneder fengsel for å ha lastet ned over 200.000 overgrepsfilmer og -bilder av barn, ber om mildere dom.
(The child protection psychiatrist who in April was sentenced to 22 months of jail for having downloaded 200,000 abuse videos and pictures of children, asks for a milder sentence.)
TV 2 – NTB, 16 November 2018

Also , , , and a short notice , referring to Dagbladet.

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(Psychiatrist Jo Erik Brøyn who has been convicted for downloading child pronography asks not to be separated from his children.)
Barnevernskritikk, on facebook, 18 November 2018

  
  

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New hope for Eva Michalakova?

Nekonečný a zatím neúspěšný boj Evy Michalákové, které pochybný norský ústav Barnevernet v roce 2011 odebral dva syny, nabral nový rozměr. Zaměstnanec Barnevernetu, který rozhodoval o osudech tisíců dětí, byl totiž odsouzen za stahování neuvěřitelného množství té nejotřesnější dětské pornografie a ukázalo se, že právě tento pedofil měl nepřímo rozhodnout i o odebrání Denise a Davida Michalákových. Jaký je vlastně celý příběh prapodivného zabavení dvou dětí a pedofilního doktora, který k němu přispěl?

The endless and still unsuccessful struggle of Eva Michalakova, which the dubious Norwegian institution Barnevernet took in two sons in 2011, has taken on a new dimension. The Barnevernet employee, who decided about the fate of thousands of children, was convicted of downloading an incredible amount of the most sophisticated child pornography, and it turned out that this pedophile should have decided indirectly to remove Denise and David Michalak. What is the whole story of a strange seizure of two children and a pedophile doctor who contributed to it?

The criminal «barnevernet»-expert rejected the psychological evaluation of Eva Michalakova written by the Czech doctor Sturma, according to a recent article in a Czech magazine.

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Tidligere sakkyndig lastet ned overgrepsbilder: Går gjennom 30 barnevernssaker(Previous expert downloaded pictures of abuse. Evaluation of 30 CPS-cases)

https://www.nrk.no/nordland/tidligere-s ... 1.14315630

– Helsetilsynet har hittil bedt om å få oversendt litt over 30 sakkyndigrapporter. Helsetilsynet vil gjennomgå rapportene for å vurdere om det er forhold ved rapportene som kommunene bør følge opp videre, sier avdelingsdirektør Børge Tomter i Helsetilsynet.

"The Norwegian Board of Health Supervision (NBHS) has so far asked to look into 30 specialist reports. The Board will go through the reports to assess if there are things with the reports that the municipalities should follow up on, department director Børge Tomter in the NBHS says."


We are almost seduced by the NBHS. They seem to take this seriously.

But I am by no means convinced.

First of all, the NBHS has through directives made it clear that their local representatives, the County Governors (Fylkesmannen) should not handle complaints on experts and their reports when they are filed by CPS victims. These directives have efficiantly stopped any parent who - at any stage in the process of removing their children - wanted to have a real evaluation of this expert`s work.

Secondly, it seems that the NBHS are going to go through the reports in the same way that the Child Expert Commission does it; - by going through the reasoning and design of the reports, but without going through the facts. One problem is of course that the NBHS blindly accepts the logic of an obscure part of psychology, conclusions that parents lack parenting skills based on totally unproven and highly unscientific theories. On the other hand, facts, or the lack of them, are very often the core of the problem in these reports. The NBHS would have to ask the families if they want facts, something they will never do.

Thirdly, the NBHS are going to send these cases back to the municipalities if there are any problems, and let the municipalities do the further investigations and follow up. Of course the NBHS must know that the municipalities will not do much else than try to cover up for themselves. If the NBHS does not know this, it is a proof of their disability and unableness to do the tasks that the fellowship expects and demands from them.

The NBHS shows that it is itself part of the problem in the Norwegian CPS system.

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Why is the Norwegian CPS a disaster?

Lack of skills? Lack of attitude? Lack of knowledge? Lack of empathy?

Nothing as such!

The Norwegian CPS is a disaster because no-one is controlling them. These are highly predictable dynamics, affecting any system that is not being monitored properly.

The experts should control and guide the case-handlers, but instead the case-handlers are controlling the appointed specialists. The County Board should control and secure the quality of the CPS proposals, but instead the appointed experts with financial ties to the CPS control the outcome in the County Board. Where the CPS coincidentially wins ninety percent of all the cases...

It is not corruption. It is called "unfortunate ties", although these ties are actually very fortunate for some.

According to the Norwegian health laws, the NBHS should supervise and handle complaints concerning all health personnell including the appointed specialists, but they have simply defined themselves away from their responsibility, so that CPS victims in fact do not have any way to contradict biased and false reports.

The Child Expert Commission itself, which has no authority to wreck reports, and as stated above does not allow parents to correct or fill in with facts, simply functions as lipstick on the face of poor quality control.

And when Norwegian parents file complaints concerning the CPS itself, the NBHS handles these complaints not by looking into the core of the matter, but by looking at formal procedures and deadlines. I have also never heard of any family that had their case turned around because of interference from the NBHS or their local representatives.

It is not lack of competence, but a total lack of real control and supervision that is ruining Norwegian families. And the responsibility lies on the Norwegian Board of Health Supervision.


Therefore they can not, and will not solve or even contribute to a solution to the CPS-crisis.

In this particular case with a pedophile child expert, they will try to calm the storm by doing investigations that are meaningless and without ambition.

Not one single child will return to it's family because the expert who settled the outcome of the case was - mildly speaking - inadequate.

I am sorry to say it, because this scandal should be a wake-up call for everyone, and especially for the government.

But as for today, there is no true political will to do what is necessary to change the system for the better.

The only ambition the authorities have, is to make the system look better, and this investigation is part of that ambition.


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"First of all, the NBHS has through directives made it clear that their local representatives, the County Governors (Fylkesmannen) should not handle complaints on experts and their reports when they are filed by CPS victims."

Interesting. Of course we know this already. Many are the families, desperate from their illtreatment by the CPS, who have gone to the County Governor and trusted that then - then it would all come out, how falsely they had been accused and referred, how insanely their children had been treated.
    But here it is: Our authorities do not even shy away from putting it in writing! The County Governor should not pay attention to complaints regarding 'experts' when the complaints come from those who have had first-hand experience of the 'expertise' and how it works out.

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Should we call all this – the lack of supervision, the pretended belief that all is well – extreme democracy, perhaps? Democracy to the extent that everybody is equal, and so the decision of the least capable and knowledgeable should be ever respected and obeyed by the more capable and knowledgeable?

In Sweden, always the self-declared world leader on equality and democracy, doctors are not the ones to decide whether their patients have to be admitted to hospital. The nurses at the hospital make the decision, based on what suits the hospital (them). Two Swedish doctors who held temporary jobs here were amazed that they were able to ring up the hospital and say 'I am bringing a patient in with such-and-such a complaint. He will need such-and-such done' and have it accepted.
    In England, before Margaret Thatcher came, the porters at a hospital I knew of were the ones who decided whether patients were to be admitted or not. I sometimes wonder whether people who are uniformly negative to everything about Thatcher, and now Trump, ever stop to ask themselves: Have there perhaps been things that so many people have been justifiably furious about that they have voted for Thatcher/Trump to get rid of this unreasonableness?

The CPS in Sweden was also a step before Norway in awfulness also, when I had to do with that milieu. But Norway is not so far behind Sweden.

Well well, I just saw on text-tv that there has been another episode in which some youngsters living in a cps institution at Voss have fled, stolen a car, and driven towards Bergen, been chased and stopped by the police and returned to the institution. I suppose it belongs in this thread: ('Home-cosy harmony' at institutions?) That thread is only 17 pages long so far - -
    Ah, it's here – somewhat unclear, but "wide-ranging": from Møre to Voss to Bergen ...
... stole a car belonging to someone from Bufetat! Really good that it was not the car of an ignorant Voss resident, I'd say.
    No doubt all the experts know what's best for the youths, for example how to treat them with expertise so that they do not steal a Bufetater's car again.
  
  

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