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Her er noen interessante betraktninger om bevisbedømmelse hentet fra Gjenopptagelseskommisjonens avgjørelse i Torgersen-saken.

”Bevisbedømmelsen vil aldri kunne reduseres til en
matematisk sannsynlighetsberegning, men må ses i lys av at
det er tale om en psykologisk erkjennelsesprosess. Subjektive
fordommer og referanserammer vil aldri kunne være
fundament for en dom. Bevisbedømmelse må heller ikke
bygge på en ren intuisjon eller ureflekterte
helhetsbetraktninger.

Utdrag fra Asbjørn Strandbakken,
Uskyldspresumsjonen, 2003, side 244

Jevnfør dette med hvordan barnevernet feller sin dom over familiene. Er det annet enn subjektive fordommer og ureflekterte helhetsvurderinger som ligger til grunn for barnevernets mange justismord?

Kari Killén har interessant nok påstått at det er mulig å forutsi såkalt omsorgssvikt på basis av matematisk sannsynlighetsberegning. Bevisbedømmelse vil aldri kunne reduseres til en matematisk sannsynlighetsberegning, ifølge Strandbakken. :!:

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I norske rettsaker, og gjerne ellers, så holder det med å overbevise. Man trenger ikke bevise.

Manglende vilje til å ta DNA-test er overbevisende. Ikke et logisk bevis.
Tannmerker er overbevisende. Ikke et logisk bevis.

Angående DNA-tester. Dette er brukt mot mennesker tidligere når man har så dårlige resultat at de kan stemme med 50% av befolkningen. Jeg ville heller ikke gjort det. Før en rettsak, ville jeg vert så desperat at jeg hadde prøvet det. Etter, så betyr dårlige DNA-tester mindre, om man da ikke har flaks og de er totalt frifinnende.

Heller mer dramatiske straffer, etter klare bevis. Det er stort sett alt som skal til for å nærmest utrydde kriminalitet. Bare med å ta skikkelig hånd om vanekriminelle, så vil vel 70% (husker ikke helt) av all kriminalitet forsvinne. Husker jeg rett, så blir over 90% av all kriminalitet utført av folk som scorer over 25 p på Robert Hare sin diagnosering for psykopater. Det vil si 1% av befolkningen.

Disse personene var, i følge psykopatforskning, avvikere også som barn.

Når disse menneskene gjør noe galt, som de alltid gjør tidlig, så kan man bruke straffe-/tå-hånd-om-metoder som får dem vekk fra samfunnet.

Det er altså enkle grep som skal til for å gjøre samfunnet nærmest til et paradis med minimal voldskriminalitet, svindel etc.

I stedet velger man å sette ned krav til bevis, og skaper nødvendigvis justismord. Justismordere er amoralske. Det overveldende flertallet går imidlertid inn for system som gir justismord.

Det minner meg om Jesu påstand (fritt sitert): "Når dere som er onde vet å gi barna deres... (noe med brød og orm. PCen må startes om. Den nektet å ta fra datebibelen. :-) ) Jeg tror nok Jesus hadde rett i at vi mennesker er ikke helt gode. Men mot våre egne (små barn), er vi det, stort sett alltid.

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