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 Post subject: undersøkelse sak : er dette lov.
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Kluss med posten

Jeg kjenner til flere barnevernssaker hvor post har hatt det med å bli borte, eller å komme uforklarlig sent, eller å være åpnet før den kommer frem. Dokumenter i haugen blir borte, for enkelte ganger å dukke opp igjen når det er for sent for familien, andre ganger slett ikke.

Dere må regne med som en selvsagt ting at barnevernet og politiet har styringen med posten deres og åpner den etter forgodtbefinnende. Om de har søkt rettslig kjennelse for det i alle saker kan man tvile på, men vær klar over at rettsapparatet også stort sett består av noen villige medløpere av noen dommere som sier ja til alt når barnevernet, eller politiets barnevernsvakt, uttaler at de er sterkt bekymret for barnet.

Jeg har dessverre ingen tro på at rekommandering av post vil hjelpe i et slikt tilfelle. Men jeg er nå kjent for å være dyster da, EMG, så du får høre litt på andre enn meg også.

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En liten pressisering: Det var våre brev som kunne rekommanderes slik at de ikke kan si at det ikke er mottatt. Hva barnevernet på isn side gjør, er vi jo svært godt kjent med.

Hva man oppnår med å selv rekkomandere er synliggjøring av etatens inkompetanse og manglende evne til å følge opp en sak!

Med andre ord: vi skyver opplysningsplikten over dit den hører hjemme.

Så vi er begge i det dystre hjørne hva de kan finne på.

Fikk forresten en svært artig sammenligning i går.
En sosionom er lik en vaktmester:
Vaktmesteren kan utføre enklere oppgaver, men når det kommer til fag må han tilkalle ekspertisen Så også med sosionomen.

For egen regning vil jeg legge til at vaktmesteren tilkaller ekspertisen mens sosionomen/barnevernspedagogen tror han kan alt selv!

En sosionom er en person som har lært at makt kan utrette mye, men bare for seg selv. Han kan se at noe er feil. Han kan ikke loven.etikk. Empatien har forsvunnet på veien for den er ubrukbar. Han får jo ingen makt med å legge forholdene til rett. På toppen av det hele vil han jo miste jobben om folk klarer seg selv!


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jeg traff helsesöster sånn tilfeldig å så spurte hun,gikk det bra?jeg skjönte ikke hva hun snakket om.så jeg spurte hva da?jo hun hadde fått telefon fra bv om at det skulle väre intensiv observasjon i hjemmet denne uken.hadde de värt där spurte hun.jeg har ikke fått noe brev å beskjed om dette,så holdt selfölgelig å falle på baken da.skal man ikke i det minste få beskjed om slikt skriflig?i allefall var det slik jeg fikk beskjed.trodde de måtte sende ut noe vedtak eller slikt jeg.kan jeg eventuellt nekte ta de inn(veldig lyst til dette)til jeg har fått et skriflig vedtak med at det skal väre samt hvorfor det skal väre.?er ikke inne på lovene som gjelder,har prövd å lese men forstår ikke alt.men jeg vil ha dette skriflig da jeg vet fra forrige gang at det er vanskelig å bevise noe uten papirer på det.


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I alle fall kan jo ingen tvinge deg til å åpne munnen. IKKE uttal deg til barnevernet, iallfall ikke uten å gjøre båndopptak OG ha solide vitner, helst en advokat du stoler på.
  

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