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En ny sak hvor et indisk barn, Aryan, er tatt

Den indiske utenriksministeren har allerede engasjert seg i saken.
På videoen ser man både Suranya Aiyar, som har gjort utrolig mye godt arbeid mot norsk og annet vestlig barnevern (bare søk med hennes navn her på Forum RVB og på min hjemmeside), og Sagarika Chakraborti, moren i den beryktede Bhattacharya-saken saken India/Stavanger.

Indiske myndigheter: – Vil representere indisk mor i norsk barnevernssak
Den indiske utenriksministeren sier myndighetene har fått forespørsel om hjelp fra mor som har blitt fratatt sin sønn (5) i Norge etter mistanke om fysisk mishandling.
abc nyheter, 23 desember 2016

"Indias utenriksminister Sushma Swaraj bekrefter på Twitter at myndighetene vil representere en indisk mor i en barnevernssak i Norge."

"Nok en gang involverer andre lands myndigheter seg i en norsk barnevernssak. Denne gangen dreier saken seg om en fem år gammel gutt ble hentet av barnevernet i barnehagen fordi foreldrene mistenkes for barnemishandling, skriver Hindustantimes.com."

"Dette er den tredje barnevernssaken i løpet av fem år der indiske familier har vært involvert, som indiske myndigheter har engasjert seg i, skriver avisa."

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INDIA@9 WITH ARUNODAY MUKHARJI, 23 desember 2016
News 18.com, 23 desember 2016
(TV - video)

Suranya og Sagarika og andre blir intervjuet fra ca 07:00.
   Indisk TV har også funnet for godt å intervjue Reidar Hjermann, psykologen og daværende barneombud som forsøkte å innbille alle at Sagarika var unormal og at hennes sønn led av "tilknytningsforstyrrelse".

  

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:31 am 
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Samme klipp på Youtube:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ssUCJ4DUfs

Interessant at politikerne i et land med over 1 milliard mennesker engasjerer seg til støtte for foreldre og barn i enkeltsaker. I lille Norge kan fortvilte barnefamilier regne med null interesse dersom de kontakter politikere med saken sin.

Den indiske psykologen i reportasjen mener at barnevernets behandling av barnet er det motsatte av barnevern, og sikter da til at et barn på 5 år holdes borte fra foreldrene og sin naturlige sammenheng. Dette er traumatisering av et barn, sier hun.

Indiske myndigheter omtaler i programmet saken som et menneskerettsspørsmål som de vil engasjere seg i gjennom ambassaden i Oslo.

Den indiske psykologen kommer mot slutten av programmer med et viktig poeng, som absolutt trenger å lyttes til i Norge:

"La myndighetene følge sine prosedyrer, men la barnet være hos moren inntil saken er avgjort. Forstå barnets psyke!"


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Programmet på youtube er et annet et, klarere og roligere enn det første. Det er fra CNN-News 18, mye er forskjellig. Den kvinnelige psykologen er i dette programmet. Jeg fremhever programmet litt mer enn familien-er-samlet har gjort:

WATCH: Norway Snatches Son From Indian Couple; MEA Steps In
CNN-News 18, 23 desember

    

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`SENSITIVE ISSUE' - Norway calls for India's restraint in custody row (Sensitivt spørsmål: – Norge oppfordrer til at India holder tilbake i omsorgssak)
The Times of India (Delhi), 24 desember 2016

Norge tropper opp igjen med sensitivitet og konfidensialitet. Og ambassaden (det ser ut til å være den norske i Delhi, ikke den indiske i Oslo?) råder til "tilbakeholdenhet".

Meget bra at både barnets of familiens navn legges ut åpent! Det er nødvendig å få vekk konfidensialiteten.

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Og her har vi igjen alle "opplysningene" som norske ambassader alltid kommer med til utlandet, hvorpå de venter at utlendingene ikke bare skal ha absorbert hvordan systemet er, men skal akkseptere det ydmykt, som storartet og til ethvert barns beste:

All You Need to Know About Child Protection Laws in Norway (Alt du trenger å vite om barnevernslovene i Norge)
Asia News , 23 desember 2016 
  
Det koker i grunnen ned til: "Vi her i Norge har våre lover, og de omfatter at vi kan gjøre akkurat som vi vil med dine barn. Du er uforskammet, og uvitende om barnets beste, hvis du protesterer."

  

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:39 am 
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Det er kommet en NTB-artikkel, som er tatt opp flere steder:

Indias utenriksminister raser mot norsk barnevern
En gutt med indiske foreldre ble hentet av barnevernet i desember. Nå krever utenriksministeren at femåringen blir levert tilbake til familien sin.
VG, 27 desember 2016


India vil ha fosterbarn i Norge tilbake
New Delhi (NTB-AFP): Indias utenriksminister krever at norske myndigheter sender en femåring tilbake til sine indiske foreldre etter at barnevernet i Norge har tatt hånd om gutten.
Folkebladet, 27 desember 2016


India vil ha fosterbarn i Noreg tilbake
Indias utanriksminister krev at norske styresmakter sender ein femåring tilbake til dei indiske foreldra etter at barnevernet i Noreg har tatt hand om guten.
Fjordabladet, 27 desember 2016


Indias utenriksminister raser mot Norge
Dagens Næringsliv, 27 desember 2016


Indias utenriksminister raser mot Norge
Dagen, 27 desember 2016


Indias utenriksminister raser mot Norge
Indias utenriksminister raser mot norske myndigheter etter at barnevernet i Norge tok hånd om en fem år gammel gutt med indisk mor.
   Indias ambassadør til Norge hadde tirsdag et møte med norske myndigheter om saken, bekrefter kommunikasjonsrådgiver Anne Charlotte Fischer i Barne-, ungdoms- og familiedirektoratet overfor NTB.
   Utenriksminister Sushma Swaraj krever at femåringen blir sendt tilbake til sine biologiske foreldre.

Dagbladet, 27 desember 2016


Indias utenriksminister raser mot Norge i barnevernskrangel
Aftenposten, 27 desember 2016

Nokså typisk for statslakeien Aftenposten å referere til det som en "krangel" – det ufarliggjør barnevernets beslagleggelse av gutten og forsøker å latterliggjøre India. Det er også flere utenlandske avisartikler som refererer til saken som en krangel – "row" – jf nedenfor, men Aftenposten burde vite bedre, selv om noen i utlandet tror det er ufarlig.

"Den norske ambassaden i Delhi har ifølge avisa India Today bedt indiske myndigheter om å vise selvbeherskelse og forsikret om at saken blir behandlet med «absolutt sensitivitet og forståelse»."

Jaha, ja - den vanlige sensitiviteten fra norsk barnevern og norsk, barnevernstro opinion?
   Ganske utrolig at den norske besserwisser-ambassaden doserer India om "selvbeherskelse"! Det ville gjøre det norske samfunn sunnere om nordmenn ikke viste kuet "selvbeherskelse" (les: feighet) når barn ødelegges i barnevernet!

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Indias utenriksminister raser mot Norge
abc nyheter, 27 desember 2016

"Indias ambassadør til Norge, Debraj Pradhan, hadde tirsdag et møte med Utenriksdepartementet om saken, bekrefter kommunikasjonsrådgiver Anne Charlotte Fischer i Barne-, ungdoms- og familiedirektoratet overfor NTB.
   Utenriksminister Sushma Swaraj krever at femåringen blir sendt tilbake til sine biologiske foreldre. Gutten ble hentet i en barnehage i Oslo av barnevernet i midten av desember. Begge foreldrene er indiske, mens sønnen har norsk statsborgerskap.

De siste ukene har femåringen bodd på et barnehjem utenfor Oslo, ifølge indiske medier."


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Flere av disse artiklene har henvisninger til Bhattacharya-saken (fra 2011-12) som er ukorrekte. Noe er også galt referert / fremstilt i indiske media.
   Det stemmer at norske myndigheter til slutt lot barna komme til en indisk onkel. De prøvet også å tvinge barnas mor, Sagarika Chakraborti, til å fraskrive seg retten til å gå til sak i India, men klarte ikke å tvinge igjennom dette. Sagarika gikk til sak i India, og fikk barna tilbake. Hennes mann hadde da falt henne i ryggen og vært med på å påstå at hun hadde "psykiske problemer" og var tilbakestående og unormal. Hun ble meget grundig undersøkt i India, og ble funnet å være helt normal, trass i de svære påkjenningene Norge hadde kjørt henne igjennom. Hun tar seg utmerket av barna, og har gudskjelov helhjertet støtte fra sin egen familie. Se her og her og her.



  

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:29 am 
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Informativ kommentar om saken, som også gir konteksten av hva som har foregått tidligere:

Jan Simonsen:
Barnevernet skandaliserer Norge – igjen
Frie Ytringer, Jan Simonsens blogg, 28 desember 2016

  

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Underskrifts-kampanje, lagt ut av Suranya Aiyar:

Reunite the child of Anila Kumar and Gurvinderjit Kaur with his famliy
underskrift.no, 27 desember 2016

Til: Oslo Barnevern
Norwegians and International Activists join Indians in urging Indian Government to save Indian child in Norway

We, the undersigned citizens and residents of Norway, relatives of victims in Norway and activists from around the world, are writing to express our support for your intervention in the matter of the 5-year-old only child of Anil Kumar and Gurvinderjit Kaur who has been snatched by Barnevernet in Oslo, Norway last week.
Barnevernet, the Norwegian child protection authority has for many years been wrongly taking children from loving parents in Norway.
The reasons are incompetence, overbearing officials, lack of transparency, inadequate judicial oversight, and, in cases involving cultural and religious minorities, prejudice and racism.
Some of us have ourselves been victims of Barnevernet. We have been campaigning against Norway’s cruel child protection regime for years and this year alone there have been protests every month against Barnevernet attended by hundreds in cities around Norway. Supporting protests have been held in many countries around the world, including the United States of America, Russia, Australia, Brazil, Romania, Czechia, Lithuania and India.
We appreciate India’s earlier efforts in saving Indian children from Barnevernet and highlighting the human rights abuses of Barnevernet in Norway. We urge you to spare no effort in enabling the child of Anil Kumar and Gurvinderjit Kaur to be reunited with his family in Norway or repatriated to India where he can be brought up by his extended family in the country and culture of his origin, and to which he has been used since birth. This is his right under both Norwegian law and international law.


  

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NTB-artikkelen på Somali (google-oversettelsen gjør det ikke klart hva tittelen er, men artikkelens kilde er klar):

Wasiirka arimaha dibada Hindiya: Barneverku gacanta waalidkii dhaley haku soo celiyeen cunug Hindi ah oo ay qaateen
Norsom News, 28 desember 2016

  

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God artikkel. Brinda Karat er politiker:

Brinda Karat:
Great First Step By Sushma Swaraj. But More Is Needed.
(Fint første skritt av Sushma Swaraj. Men mere trengs.)
NDTV, 28 desember 2016

"There is an unfolding tragedy in Norway where a five-year-old Indian child has been forcibly taken away from his parents, one of whom is an Indian citizen, by Barnevernet, the Norwegian Child Protection Agency (CPA). Fortunately, this has led to a welcome, swift response from the Government of India, specifically the Minister for External Affairs, Sushma Swaraj."

"... our past experience in dealing with the officials in the CPA in Norway, on the Bhattacharya children case, which led us to believe that the Child Protection Agency in that country should be more appropriately termed the Child Snatching Agency (CSA) and referred to as such."
(... vår erfaring med å ha å gjøre med tjenestemennene i Barnevernet i Norge, i Bhattacharya-barnas sak, som brakte oss til den oppfatning at Barnevernet i det landet heller burde kalles Barnefjernet (Barne-snappings-etaten, Barnefjern) CSA og bli omtalt som det.)

"In 2011, the Bhattacharya children were snatched away from their parents on somewhat similar grounds. We came to know of the case much after it had taken place. By that time, the relevant court in Stavanger had already ruled in favour of the snatchers, the siblings aged one and three had been separated and sent to different foster homes, and the Bhattacharyas were informed that they could not see their children till they had reached the age of 18. It took another six months of our struggle to get the children out of foster care and back to India in mid-2012. The children are now living happily in the care of their mother, a mother who the CSA had publicly defamed and declared "unfit" as a parent."

"The point is that as far as the Norwegian CSA authorities are concerned, this is business as usual. There has been absolutely no change in their approach in the last four years."

"In fact, the CSA of Norway acts as a law unto itself. Its record of child snatching, its utterly arbitrary and subjective assessments of parents, its opaque methods of functioning in the name of confidentiality and its conflict of interest in the financial sphere have been a matter of protest in Norway, in many countries such as Russia, Czechoslovakia, Turkey, whose citizens have been similarly affected. The role of the CSA in violation of human rights has been a subject matter of debate and condemnation in the European Union Parliament."

  

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Pressemelding og petisjon til den indiske utenriksministeren

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PRESS RELEASE
December 28, 2016

OVER 100 NORWEGIAN AND INTERNATIONAL ACTIVISTS SEND LETTER OF SUPPORT TO INDIAN GOVERNMENT CONDEMNING CHILD SNATCHING IN NORWAY

Over 100 Norwegian and International Activists, including academics, lawyers, Norwegian politicians and European Parliamentarians and victims of Barnevernet, Norway’s child protection authorities have written to Indian Foreign Minister, Sushma Swaraj, supporting her intervention in the matter of the 5-year-old only child of Anil Kumar and Gurvinderjit Kaur who has been snatched by Barnevernet in Oslo, Norway on December 13, 2016.

The letter states that Barnevernet “has for many years been wrongly taking children from loving parents in Norway. The reasons are incompetence, overbearing officials, lack of transparency, inadequate judicial oversight, and, in cases involving cultural and religious minorities, prejudice and racism.”

Norwegians have been campaigning against Norway’s cruel child protection regime for years and this year alone there have been protests every month against Barnevernet attended by hundreds in cities around Norway.

Human Rights Activist and Commentator, Marius Reikeras, who led this effort from Norway, and has campaigned for justice for countless victims of Barnevernet said: “It is just wonderful to see the Indian- Norwegian cooperation, in order to stop Human Rights violations in this case, as well as in general. Thank you to everyone, who supports our battle in defeating Human Rights Crimes.”
The text of the letter to the Foreign Minister is below. The list of signatories is in the attached document.

These endorsements have been obtained via email and an online petition. More endorsements are coming on an hourly basis on http://www.underskrift.no/vis/6449.

For further information from overseas, contact Marius Reikeras Tel: 0047462165973, Email: marius@reikeras.no or other signatories whose details are listed in the letter. For further information in India contact: Suranya Aiyar, New Delhi, India suranya_aiyar@yahoo.com, 9818886808.

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TEXT OF LETTER OF SUPPORT TO SUSHMA SWARAJ


28 December 2016

To,
Her Excellency, Mrs Sushma Swaraj
External Affairs Minister of India

Subject: Norwegians and International Activists join Indians in urging Indian Government to save Indian child in Norway

Dear Madam,

We, the undersigned citizens and residents of Norway, relatives of victims in Norway and activists from around the world, are writing to express our support for your intervention in the matter of the 5-year-old only child of Anil Kumar and Gurvinderjit Kaur who has been snatched by Barnevernet in Oslo, Norway last week.
   Barnevernet, the Norwegian child protection authority has for many years been wrongly taking children from loving parents in Norway.
   The reasons are incompetence, overbearing officials, lack of transparency, inadequate judicial oversight, and, in cases involving cultural and religious minorities, prejudice and racism.
   Some of us have ourselves been victims of Barnevernet. We have been campaigning against Norway’s cruel child protection regime for years and this year alone there have been protests every month against Barnevernet attended by hundreds in cities around Norway. Supporting protests have been held in many countries around the world, including the United States of America, Russia, Australia, Brazil, Romania, Czechia, Lithuania and India.
   We appreciate India’s earlier efforts in saving Indian children from Barnevernet and highlighting the human rights abuses of Barnevernet in Norway. We urge you to spare no effort in enabling the child of Anil Kumar and Gurvinderjit Kaur to be reunited with his family in Norway or repatriated to India where he can be brought up by his extended family in the country and culture of his origin, and to which he has been used since birth. This is his right under both Norwegian law and international law.

Signed
1. Marius Reikeras, Human Rights Activist and Commentator, Bergen, Norway, Tel: 0047462165973, Email: marius@reikeras.no (Available for comment)

2. Professor Marianne Haslev Skanland, Professor Emeritus, University of Bergen, Norway
Academic and Commentator on Child Rights in Norway
Website (with extensive information about Barnevernet): http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page10.html

3. Jan Simonsen, Former Member of Norwegian Parliament, Oslo, Norway, Tel: 004741061176, Email: jan.simonsen@hotmail.com (Available for comment)

4. Tomas Zedechovsky, Member of European Parliament (MEP), Belgium, Brussels (contact through Jitka Fialova, below)

5. Jitka Fialova, Prague, Czech Republic, Tel: 00420777022156, Email: fialova@zdechovsky.eu (Available for comment)

6. & 7. Ken Joar Olsen, Asker, Norway & Vibeke Morrisey, Borgen, Norway
Parents of Baby Aria taken at birth by Norwegian authorities. Tel: 004748062884, Email: ken.j.olsen@gmail.com (Available for comment)
Website: https://www.facebook.com/JusticeforbabyAria/
http://baby-aria-and-the-fight-for-justice.webnode.com/

8. Tor Age Berglid, Blasket, Norway, Tel: 004795250112, Email: taberglid@gmail.com (Available for comment)
Human Rights Activist and Commentator

FOR LIST OF REMAINING SIGNATORIES (121 AND COUNTING) SEE THE DOCUMENT ATTACHED TO THIS EMAIL.

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Saken er ganske vidt dekket i utlandet.

Artikler om saken i aviser i India og andre land
22 - 23 desember 2016


NRI parents protest as Norway takes custody of child
The Norwegian embassy in Delhi, when contacted, said they were ascertaining the facts from the authorities in Oslo.
The Indian Express, 22 desember 2016

NRI parents protest as Norway takes custody of child
Pastor Ciprian Barsan, 22 desember 2016

NRI parents seek govt help as Norwegian authorities take custody of their child
Zee News, 22 desember 2016
"[The father] told IE - “He was wearing the same clothes and undergarments in which he had gone to school a week ago. He is not receiving proper care from the child welfare department. He hugged us and cried a lot… he is our only child… why would we torture him. He is an active child, and is very fussy about eating… He likes to eat Indian food… he is being given bread and porridge, and has not been eating well. I have never even raised my voice at him, how can I beat him up? His mother spent sleepless nights taking care of him as he is an asthma patient."

Indian child's custody: Sushma contacts envoy in Norway
The New Indian Express, 22 desember 2016

Norway Authorities Take Custody Of Child, Accuse NRI Parents Of Beating Him Up
The father, Anil Kumar, claimed the child was interrogated for one-and-half hours and he was shown a video.
The Huffington Post, 22 desember 2016

Child taken from Indian couple in Norway, Swaraj seeks report
The Times of India, 22 desember 2016

Indian parents accused of beating their child; Norway authorities take custody of 5-year-old from NRI couple
The boy's father, Anil Kumar, said that the authorities did not give them prior intimation before picking up their child.
International Business Times, 22 desember 2016

Indian parents accused of beating their child; Norway authorities take custody of 5-year-old from NRI couple
Yahoo News, 22 desember 2016

Norway Advocates Restraint Over Indian Child Custody
India, on the other hand, said it it is ready to intervene if a formal request is made by the mother.
The Wire, 23 desember 2016

NRI couple in Norway protest after authsorities takes custody of their child
nricafe, 23 desember 2016

NRI Kid Taken into Custody by Norway Officials, Sushma Swaraj Steps in
Punjab Update, 22 desember 2016

Norway Child Case: Charges False, Son Wants to Return, Says NRI Mother
News18, 23 desember 2016

NRI couple in Norway lose custody of child, seeks Sushma Swaraj’s help
Swaraj sought a report from Indian Ambassador in Norway on the allegations and later on informed that India will represent the case on behalf on the mother.
Narada News, 23 desember 2016

NRI couple in Norway lose custody of child, seeks Sushma Swaraj's help: All you need to know
Firstpost, 23 desember 2016

Indian child’s custody in Norway: Sushma Swaraj comes forward on Twitter
hindustan times, 23 desember 2016

'Supermom’ Sushma Swaraj Comes To the Aid of Indian Child In Norway
Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj’s personal interventions are now legion and their numbers run in tens of thousands. Here is another example of the popular Foreign Minister directing officials to assist the Indian mother to fight a legal battle for her son in Norway.
Sputnik News, 23 desember 2016

Indian Child's Custody In Norway: Government To Represent Mother
Ommcom News, 23 desember 2016

India takes up with norway issue of alleged child abuse faced by Indian couple
The Times of India, 23 desember 2016

  

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Artikler om saken i aviser i India og andre land
24 - 28 desember 2016


(Sushma Svaraj er indisk utenriksminister.)


NRI couple in Norway lose custody of child, Sushma Steps In
Alive, 24 desember 2016

NRI couple in Norway lose child's curtody: Mother writes to govt; MEA to take action
Firstpost, 25 desember 2016

Norway Child Row: MEA to Take Action as Mother Writes to Govt
the quint, 25 desember 2016

India to raise child custody case with Norway foreign ministry
The Times of India, 26 desember 2016

Aryan, 5, Taken Away From Parents In Norway, Sushma Swaraj Protests Strongly
NDTV, 27 desember 2016
"Aryan and his father are Norwegian citizens. Gurvinderjit Kaur, an Indian passport holder, has alleged that her son is not doing well without his natural parents and has also not been properly fed as he was being given porridge and bread instead of Indian food."
   "Foster parents "ignorant to Indian culture, food habits", says Ms Swaraj"


Handling child custody case as per our own law, Norway tells India
The Times of India, 27 desember 2016

Norway child row: Sushma demands family reunion
Desi Life And Times, 27 desember 2016

Norway child row: Sushma demands family reunion
Gulf News, 27 desember 2016

Child custody row: Norway says authorities dealing with complete sensitivity and awareness
Zee News, 28 desember 2016

NRI parents protest as Norway takes custody of child
reddit, 28 desember 2016

Return kid snatched from Indian parents, Sushma Swaraj tells Oslo
The Times of India, 28 desember 2016

Norway Child Issue:
Activists, European Parliamentarians Seek Sushma Swaraj's Help

ndtv, 28 December 2016
(Denne siste artikkelen er nokså typisk for en journalistisk tankegang som så ofte skader ofrene for barnevernets aksjoner. Hvor mye skal egentlig til for å få mediafolk til å gjøre noe anstendig arbeid med å finne ut av en del fakta, istedenfor å sette alt ofrene sier i gåseøye, hvilket gjør at det virker suspekt eller overdrevet i leseres øyne, mens alt myndighetene sier står uten gåseøyne, som om det nødvendigvis er gudsens sanning?)

  

  

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En meningsytring på et indisk nettsted:


Ravi Shanker Kapoor:
Seamier side of welfare state
Hindu Chronicle, 23 desember 2016 (Skyggesiden av velferdsstaten)


Her er en del man godt kan være enig i, slikt som at man må føye seg etter de lover og regler som gjelder for det samfunnet man lever i (for eksempel den norske loven som forbyr en å slå barn). Han tar ikke opp spørsmålet om hvorvidt det er godt, eller i det hele tatt berettiget, å automatisk frata et barn dets foreldre som har slått, også i saker hvor fysisk avstraffelse har vært beskjeden.

Men det er alvorlig at skribenten visst tror at når et barnet er tatt av barnevernet på en anklage om barnemishandling, er anklagen selvsagt riktig. Jeg posterte derfor en kommentar:

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Marianne Haslev Skanland, Oslo
31 desember ca kl 10:30

I wish things were different in my country, Mr Kapoor, but you are unfortunately off the track here. It is not a case of just obeying the laws of the land.

You seem to take it for granted that in the welfare state of Norway the official agencies (such as the child protection service – CPS) and the people they employ and engage are competent, insightful, humanitarian and truthful.
The reality is that in the West, official child protection tends to be very harmful to a lot of children as well as to their families. False accusations abound too, and the CPS gobbles them up like a godsend.

Why not start by reading something about the way they carry on:
My webpage (lots of articles by other people than myself also, and many in English):

http://www.mhskanland.net
"Forum Redd Våre Barn" (Forum Rescue Our Children), section for English speakers:
http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewforum.php?f=56
Some older information: "Welcome to BarnasRett.no (Children's rights):
http://barnasrett.no/welcome_to_barnasrett.htm

I hope such reading will make you thoughtful!

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(Jeg ville ønske at tingene var anderledes i mitt land, herr Kapoor, men dessverre er du ikke på helt rett spor her. Det dreier seg ikke bare omm å følge landets lover.
    Det ser ut til at du tar for gitt at i velferdsstaten Norge er offentlige etater (slik som Barnevernet) og de menneskene de sysselsetter, kompetente, innsiktsfulle, humane og sannferdige.
   Virkeligheten er at i Vesten har offentlig barnevern det med å være svært skadelig for mange barn så vel som for deres familier. Falske beskyldninger florerer også, og barnevernet svelger dem gladelig.
   Hvorfor ikke begynne med å lese noe om hvordan de driver på:
Min hjemmeside (mange artikler av andre enn meg selv også, og mange på engelsk:
http://www.mhskanland.net
"Forum Redd Våre Barn" seksjon for engelsktalende:
http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewforum.php?f=56
Litt eldre informasjon: "Welcome to BarnasRett.no (Children's rights):
http://barnasrett.no/welcome_to_barnasrett.htm
   Jeg håper slik lesning vil gjøre deg tankefull!)


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Skribenten gjengir også en feilaktig uttalelse som har stått i flere indiske aviser om den tidligere saken om to indiske barn i Stavanger, Bhattacharya-saken. Jeg posterte derfor en kommentar til, med riktigere opplysninger om denne og lenker til en del dokumentasjon, pluss til en del om "tilknytningsteori". Men den kommentaren ble visst de som administrerer nettstedet redd for, så den ble slettet etter kort tid! Her er den:

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Marianne Haslev Skanland, Oslo
31 desember ca kl 10:45

I should have added something about the Bhattacharya case (the case from 2011 which you mention), a case I know quite well. It is not now correctly referred to in Indian media (and certainly not in Nowegian media). Norwegian courts did nothing to bring the children back to the parents, on the contrary. It was the mother, Sagarika Chakraborti, who very wisely got help back in India to take the case to court there, and who then got her children back from her then estranged husband's brother.
A summary up to the beginning of 2013 can be found here:

http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page141/page141.html
The children are now being very well taken care of by their mother and her family. The daughter not so long ago had top results in school. The son has been given proper medical examination and special help with schooling in Kolkata – which he never got in Norway. The Norwegian CPS "diagnosed" his behaviour not as due to handicap but supposedly to the mother's not having "created proper attachment to him" and thereby caused him to develop an "attachment disorder" – a common quack diagnosis in Norwegian social work. Cf
"Attachment Theory Debunked ..."

https://delightintruth.com/2016/03/03/attachment-theory-debunked-by-marianne-skanland-at-oslo-protest/
"On attachment, eye contact and interaction"
http://www.mhskanland.net/page62/page286/page286.html
"A few articles about attachment ..."
http://www.mhskanland.net/page64/page315/page315.html
The paragraph on "Attachment theory and other ideas" here:
http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page125/page125.html

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(Jeg burde ha lagt til noe om Bhattacharya-saken (saken fra 2011 som du nevner), en sak jeg kjenner ganske godt. Det er ikke riktig referert nå i indiske media (og absolutt ikke i norske media). Norske domstoler gjorde intet for å få barna tilbake til foreldrene, tvert imot. Det var moren, Sagarika Chakraborti, som da hun var tilbake i India meget klokt skaffet seg hjelp til å få saken for retten der, og som da fikk barna tilbake fra broren til sin mann, som hun da hadde skilt lag med.
   En oppsummering ved begynnelsen av 2013 finnes her:
http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page141/page141.html
   Barna har nå utmerket omsorg av sin mor og hennes familie. Datteren fikk for ikke så lenge siden topp-resultater på skolen. Sønnen har fått skikkelig medisinsk undersøkelse og spesiell hjelp med skole i Kolkata – noe han aldri fikk i Norge. Norsk barnevern "diagnostiserte" hans adferd til å ikke skyldes handikap men at morens ble hevdet å ikke ha "skapt riktig tilknytning til ham" og ved det skulle ha forårsaket at han utviklet en "tilknytningsforstyrrelse" – en vanlig kvakksalver-diagnose i norsk sosialt arbeide. Jf
"Attachment Theory Debunked ..."
https://delightintruth.com/2016/03/03/attachment-theory-debunked-by-marianne-skanland-at-oslo-protest/
"On attachment, eye contact and interaction"
http://www.mhskanland.net/page62/page286/page286.html
"A few articles about attachment ..."
http://www.mhskanland.net/page64/page315/page315.html
The paragraph on "Attachment theory and other ideas" here:
http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page125/page125.html)

  

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Indias utenriksminister raser mot norsk barnevern
Romerikes Blad / NTB, 30 desember 2016


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Saken er tatt opp på to amerikanske nettsteder (og brakt videre derfra til andre nettsteder igjen):


Norwegian CPS Continues to Destroy Families, Takes Indian Child
Delight in Truth, 23 desember 2016


Norwegian CPS Continues to Destroy Families, Takes Indian Child
Wings of the Wind, Chris Reimers' blog, 31 desember 2016

  

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