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Er foreldre som blir undersøkt av barnevernet utsatt for grove brudd på rettssikkerheten?
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 Post subject: - Utsatt for grove brudd på rettssikkerheten
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Høyesterettsadvokat Harald Stabell sier Valla-saken er enn han kunne forestille seg.

- I rettssystemet er det tre bærebjelker for å ivareta rettssikkerhet; offentlighet, kontradiksjon (mulighet til å imøtegå alle bevis som blir ført) og ankemulighet. I granskingen av Valla blir alle disse prinsippene brutt.

Kommentar: I en undersøkelse i henhold til barnevernsloven § 4-3 blir også rettssikkerhetsprinsippene brutt. Det er ingen offentlig granskning. Alt skjer skjult under dekke av å skulle beskytte familien. Det innhentes taushetsbelagte opplysninger. Kontradiksjonsprinsippet blir ikke fulgt, for det kreves ikke bevisførsel for anklager. Annenhåndsopplysninger legges til grunn, selv når disse annenhåndsopplysningene har blitt avkreftet. Man har ingen reell ankemulighet. Det blir å gamble med om barnevernet vil bruke tvang dersom man motsetter seg dommen.

Det er ingen som er opptatt av foreldres manglende rettssikkerhet når barnevernet velger å iverksette en såkalt undersøkelse. Foreldrene blir fortalt at de kan engasjere advokat på egen bekostning, men at de ellers er tvungne til å "samarbeide" da manglende samarbeid kan medføre at barnevernet blir så bekymret at det velger å akuttfjerne barna.

Barnevernet skjuler bevisst sin hensikt med undersøkelsen. Alle virkemidler tas i bruk for å narre og manipulere foreldrene til å utlevere seg selv uten at de blir informert om at alt de sier kan og vil bli brukt imot dem.

Ansatte i barnevernet forteller foreldrene at de ikke har noe valg og at de er forpliktet til å gjøre som barnevernet vil. Dermed blir foreldre lurt til å akseptere tiltak som de normalt ikke ville ha akseptert, for de blir misinformert av saksbehandlerne i barnevernet.

Barnevernet har fordel av at foreldre gir avkall på å forsvare sine egne interesser.

Når så foreldre forsøker å stoppe prosessen bruker barnevernet harde virkemidler for å bringe dem tilbake i folden. Barnevernet sender politi hjem til foreldre midt på natten for å skremme dem til fortsatt samarbeid. Det er ingen reell frivillighet med hensyn til aksept av de såkalte "hjelpetiltakene". Barnevernsleder vil øyeblikkelige oppsøke foreldre som motsetter seg hjelpetiltak, og barnevernsleder har myndighet til å akuttfjerne barna. Ved å kidnappe barna kan barnevernet deretter presse foreldrene til hjelpetiltak, men hensikten med hjelpetiltakene er bare å umuliggjøre enhver tilbakeføring.

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 Post subject: Valla krever fullt innsyn
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Gerd-Liv Valla krever i hele grunnlaget i Fougner-rapporten som felte henne.

Advokat Harald Stabell er hyret inn av Valla for å ta vare på hennes juridiske rettigheter, og noe av det første han vil gjøre er å kreve innsyn i vitneforklaringer holdt bak lukkede dører og andre deler av underlagsmaterialet til rapporten fra advokat Jan Fougner.

Kommentar: Gerd-Liv Vallas situasjon kan sammenlignes med foreldre som har blitt gransket av det såkalte "barnevernet". Barnevernets henvendelse er ofte forårsaket av en anonym eller falsk melding om såkalt "bekymring". Barnevernet nøler ikke med å iverksette en granskning som opphever foreldrenes rettssikkerhet. Noe av det første som ryker er taushetsplikten til leger. Unge nyutdannete barnevernspedagoger krever rett til å studere pasientjournaler. Det nytter lite å nekte, for som de sier: Vi får tak i det vi vil ha, allikevel, for undersøkelsen er hjemlet i § 4-12.

Barnevernet får lett tak i alle opplysninger. Verre er det med foreldrenes innsyn i egen sak. Barnevernet holder gjerne tilbake dokumenter som de ikke ønsker at foreldrene skal få innsyn i. Selv etter at foreldrenes advokat har tilskrevet barnevernet i kommunen og krevd å få alle dokumenter utlevert i henhold til forvaltningsloven, så unnlater de barnevernsansatte å utlevere nøkkeldokumenter, som for eksempel vedtak i saken. Foreldrene skal med andre ord ikke få vite at det er fattet vedtak i saken. :!:

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Advokat Stabell har trolig helt rett i Valla-saken, om at hun er blitt fratatt alle normale rettigheter.

Men Stabell er helt og holdent på myndighetenes og barnevernets side i barnevernssaker. Der ser han ingen ting, og kan gjøre stor skade for foreldre.

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Heller ikke Gerd-Liv Valla får i alle dokumentene fra granskningen.

Gerd Liv Vallas advokat Harald Stabell har krevd innsyn i alle dokumenter i Valla/Yssen-granskningen. En avtale mellom de ansatte og Roar Flåthen fra tiden hans som nestleder i LO vil trolig kunne blokkere for Gerd-Liv Vallas innsyn.

Det er ikke uvanlig at foreldre blir nektet innsyn i saksdokumenter av barnevernet. Det er ikke alt barnevernet liker at foreldrene skal få se. Egentlig mener barnevernet det er noe ordentlig tull at foreldrene skal ha innsynsrett og derfor treneres forespørsler om innsyn. De blir ganske enkelt ikke besvart.

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