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Er det omsorgssvikt å la barn tolke for sine fremmedsproglige foreldre?
Ja, det er bedre å bruke voksne tolker 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Nei, det er kanskje ikke spesielt heldig, men neppe omsorgssvikt 50%  50%  [ 3 ]
Nei, det er verre om foreldrene blir feilbehandlet som følge av dårlig kommunikasjon 33%  33%  [ 2 ]
Nei, familien skal være glad for at de får gratis behandling om de ikke skal ha tolk i tillegg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Nei, det er ikke omsorgssvikt at foreldre ikke lærer seg norsk 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Ja, barn som tolker er ren omsorgssvikt 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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Det såkalte barneombudet Reidar Hjermann er sjokkert igjen. Det er bare en drøy uke siden sist. Sjokket til Reidar Hjermann er denne gang forårsaket av en ny type "omsorggsvikt". heter den nye omsorggsvikten.

- Det er helt uakseptabelt å bruke barn som tolk i vanskelige situasjoner, sier barneombud Reidar Hjermann.

Han frykter dessuten at barn som tolker også føler et ansvar for hvordan samtalen utvikler seg.

- Det er en belastning å føle at de har ansvar for hvordan en samtale utvikler seg. I tillegg er det uheldig hvis barn blir tatt med for å tolke i barnevernssaker eller ved elevsamtaler på skolen, sier Hjermann.

Hjermann har helt rett i at det er uheldig for barn å bli tatt med for å tolke i barnevernssaker. Barn bør i størst mulig utstrekning skjermes mot barnevernet. Barnevernssaker er særdeles stigmatiserende for de involverte og utgjør en forholdsmessig stor belastning både på foreldrene og barna. Likevel opplever foreldre som prøver å skjerme barna sine mot barnevernet, å bli motarbeidet av Hjermann. Ifølge barneombudet kan det aldri bli nok barnevernssaker, og barnevernssaker betinger som kjent at barn er involvert.

Det er dog et aldri så lite fremskritt at det såkalte barneombudet åpent erkjenner at det er en stor belastning for barn å bli involvert i barnevernssaker. Hadde han bare tatt konsekvensen av sitt syn og forsøkt å bremse de overivrige barnevernerne som turer frem etter eget forgodtbefinnende med hjemmel i en lov som gir rom for stor grad av skjønnsutøvelse.

"Barn som tolker" er det siste tilskuddet på barnevernets stadig ekspanderende liste over "omsorggsvikt".

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Det er opp til foreldrene å vurdere hva som er skadelig for barna.

Maktas generalisering av hva som er skadelig er alltid skadelig for folket.

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Kan ikke se at det er noen motsetning her. Når man velger å bosette seg i et annet land, bør man også lære seg språket :!: :evil:

Opplevde en innvandrerkvinne som dro til lege med sin sønn på ca 9 år. Kvinnen var gravid og hadde problemer. Underlivsundersøkelse var svært viktig. Legen henvendte seg til gutten med svært intime detaljer :!: Kunne nok ikke være så heldig for en muslimsk gutt å få slengt i fleisen at mor hadde gonorre :evil:

Kanskje vi skulle gjøre som i Sverige: kreve at de lærer elementær norsk for å få varig opphold selv om vi ikke stemmer FRP :?:

I saken over har det gått dårlig med gutten og forholdet til søskenet er svært dårlig akkurat som hans forhold og respekt for foreldrene er skjemmet av saken etter mer enn 15 år :!:

Denne saken illustrerer at språk er svært viktig og kan faktisk grense til barnemishandling. Har aldri sympatisert med Hjermann, men her har han rett. Har selv bodd i utlandet og kjent problemene på kroppen.


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Problemet løses relativt enkelt ved å la utlendinger med samme språk velge å bo relativt samlet. De fleste ønsker det. Da vil legene fra den gruppen og andre leger som kan språket deres kunne arbeide for den gruppen.

Da slipper man tvangsintegrering.

I Norge sprer man dem imidlertid over hele landet ved hjelp av tvang. Dermed skaper man en situasjon hvor det blir mye mer nødvendig for dem å kunne norsk. Da må de integreres med nordmenn og ikke sine egne.

Dette gir selvsagt makta mer kontroll med dem. Da kan makta påprakke dem en kulturell påvirkning som makta liker.

Og er det noe norske myndigheter liker, så er det å påprakke folk - etniske nordmenn som andre - makta sine holdninger.

Det meste i verden kan løses uten tvang. Det er bare tvingere man trenger tvang for å stoppe...

Derfor kriger jeg mot såkalt barnevern.

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