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Author: | alysha.angel [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | a few emails back n forth between my lawyer and mother |
- -------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Stella G. Schumann" <sgs> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:36:24 +0100 Subject: RE: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne To: AnneLise Angel <ema_nual> - Hide quoted text - Cc: Alysha Angel <onfiregirl20> Ok! I have had more than enough of you. You have just written an extremely good application for dismissal of me as your daughters lawyer. Good luck in finding a new lawyer who doesn’t believe it is right to cooperate with the barnevern and who thinks it is a good tactic not to admit any mistakes what so ever on your own or the families behalf. I hope the twins and your daughters agrees with the way YOU handle this case on their behalf! Merry Christmas and good luck (I am sure you will need it) Med vennlig hilsen Stella G. Schumann Advokat MNA Advokatfirmaet Arntsen Besøksadresse C. J. Hambros plass 2, inngang A Postadresse Postboks 7047, St Olavs plass , 0130 Oslo Telefon 2137 8000 Direkte 2137 8006 Mobil 941 77 379 Telefaks 2155 7684 Denne e-post er kun beregnet for den person den er rettet til. I tilfelle feiloverføring/feilsending bes De vennligst slett e-posten og eventuelle vedlegg, og kontakt avsender pr. e-post eller ringe 2137 8000. Enhver bruk av informasjonen i sendingen er i et slikt tilfelle ulovlig, og kan medføre erstatnings- og straffansvar. This e-mail is intended for the above addressees only. In case of incorrect transmission, please delete the e-mail and any documents received and contact the person who has sent it by e-mail or phone number (+47) 2137 8000. If you are not the right recipient, you have received this e-mail by error and any use of the e-mail and its content is strictly prohibited. Fra: AnneLise Angel [mailto:ema_nual@yahoo.com] Sendt: 18. desember 2009 02:25 Til: Stella G. Schumann Emne: Re: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne Dear Stella G. Schumann: Please forgive me for interceding here, but I feel I must. I cannot understand your attitude. You were speaking so loudly on the phone I heard you from across the room. I don't understand how you can be the proper lawyer in this case if you are so biased against your "client", my daughter Alysha. You say to her, she should "be a good girl". Excuse me, but she has not been otherwise, through this whole case. You say she must "cooperate with the barneverne", when she has done nothing but cooperate, from the beginning. It is the barneverne officials that have been abusive, not Alysha. You don't seem to understand that they are lying to cover their own mis-behavior in the situation. If you are getting your information from Mari, the lawyer in Bergen, you are missing the point. She was dismissed, for very good reasons, and whatever she is telling you is not the truth in the matter at all. I could clarify these false allegations against Alysha, and indeed, against all of us, but you don't seem to be open to our side of the story. How can you defend the case if you believe that Alysha is somehow the guilty party? My sons have done nothing wrong either. Tyggar asked his attorney, who is regularly a business attorney for Angel Pictures, our company, to look into the matter regarding Oddman Berge, who has been particularly abusive to Alysha, and the information he found was damaging to Mr. Berge, who retaliated of course. The last visit Alysha had with the girls was cut short by the barneverne officials. She was physically accosted, and left in fear of bodily harm. They tried to forcibly take her cell phone from her, pushed her and grabbed at her. She did not assault them, they assaulted her. It is their actions that are illegal, and have been from the beginning. Whose side are you on? Enough said. But, if you want to continue with this case, you should decide, whose side you are on. Alysha does not deserve to be reprimanded. She has not done anything wrong. She has been cooperative the whole time. It is barneverne who is at fault, has been at fault and is trying to cover their mistakes, as well as their corrupt financial discrepancies. You think they are infallible? Around here, they are crooked, greedy and corrupt to the core. But if the situation is too much for you to handle, that's ok. We fully intend to take it to the highest level. Our children are being abused, and we want them back where they are safe, with their stable, loving family. Sincerely, Anne Lise Angel _____ From: AnneLise Angel <ema_nual> To: Stella G. Schumann <sgs> Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:33:28 AM Subject: Re: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne Dear Stella Schumann: Please forgive me. There was obviously a break down in communications between you, Alysha and myself. Please try to understand, our experience with two lawyers in Bergen has been pretty scary. Right now, Alysha is very upset and confused. She is scared of the barneverne officials, and with good reason. They have been very aggressive and intimidating. She is easily overwhelmed and they take advantage of her vulnerability. She had notice in the mail of an appointment today at their office and cancelling another scheduled visit. The last time she had a "visit" she was bullied physically, pushed around and they tried to take her cell phone, twenty minutes into the visit, because they didnt like her taking pictures of the girls to show me since I cannot see them at all. She was afraid of the physical intimidation, especially in front of the girls. The visit was terminated. She tried to report the incident to the police, but they refused to take the report. The other night, while she was walking home from the local market, a car tried to intentionally run her down. She got hit, but not hurt too badly. There was an unexpected passerby, so the car drove quickly off. Alysha said it looked like the foster father driving, and she recognized his car but it was too dark to get the license. These incidents have struck her as extreme, and she is extremely frightened to meet with them alone. To be truthful, she gets very upset and just starts crying at the very thought of it. It is a fact we need help badly. We are very concerned about the girls. She is not allowed to speak to them or ask them any questions even if there is a visit. She is not allowed in the foster family home, she has to stay outside with two or three barneverne officials overseeing. There is no reason for this extreme measure. As I have said before, they girls were not at all neglected. It seems the barneverne is most worried about what the children might have to say. Alysha is waiting for your call. Please don't give up on us, we are just really scared. Sincerely, Anne Lise Angel _____ From: Stella G. Schumann <sgs> To: AnneLise Angel <ema_nual> Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:42:14 AM Subject: RE: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne I can say nothing else but that this must be a big mistake. Why you or Alysha has gotten the impression that I do not believe you, I do not know, but I know that is a mistake. Why should I believe barnevernet before you? I know they make a lot of mistakes. I have had several cases where I see their wrongdoings and that’s why I work with these cases because help is needed. I have never said I do not believe you. I might have said that it is necessary to have good evidence based on facts in order to win over the barnevernet , but I never said I did not believe you. I must say I am quite shocked by your accusations. You have never even talked to me. How can you say this? Your daughter wants me to call her, so I will do that just now. Just wanted to write you this first to let you know I am not on the barnevernets side. I am always on the childrens side and on my clients side. Med vennlig hilsen Stella G. Schumann Advokat MNA Advokatfirmaet Arntsen Besøksadresse C. J. Hambros plass 2, inngang A Postadresse Postboks 7047, St Olavs plass , 0130 Oslo Telefon 2137 8000 Direkte 2137 8006 Mobil 941 77 379 Telefaks 2155 7684 Denne e-post er kun beregnet for den person den er rettet til. I tilfelle feiloverføring/feilsending bes De vennligst slett e-posten og eventuelle vedlegg, og kontakt avsender pr. e-post eller ringe 2137 8000. Enhver bruk av informasjonen i sendingen er i et slikt tilfelle ulovlig, og kan medføre erstatnings- og straffansvar. This e-mail is intended for the above addressees only. In case of incorrect transmission, please delete the e-mail and any documents received and contact the person who has sent it by e-mail or phone number (+47) 2137 8000. If you are not the right recipient, you have received this e-mail by error and any use of the e-mail and its content is strictly prohibited. Fra: AnneLise Angel [mailto:ema_nual@yahoo.com] Sendt: 6. desember 2009 20:45 Til: sgs@advokat-arntsen.no Emne: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne To: Stella G. Schumann: From: Anne Lise Angel (Johannessen) I am Alysha's mother, and writing in her behalf. Re: your conversations to date. This is to inform you that Alysha is not alone. The matter of her twins being taken concerns me, and my sons, every bit as much as it concerns Alysha. When the girls were taken they (Alora, Esmeralda and Alysha) were living with me. There was no legal reason for the girls to be taken. They were in perfect health, happy and well cared for. I am greatly concerned now with your impression of the situation. Alysha has told me you do not believe her side of the story, and will only give credence to barneverne's misrepresentation. I am told you want proof of the validity of our claims. This can easily be provided. We have home video footage and photographs of the girls taken a week before they were forcibly abducted from school. As well as a chronology of video and photos from birth through all the years we lived together. We live together now. There was a period of some months Alysha was on her own due to circumstances beyond our control, and during that time she was harassed, stalked, threatened and manipulated by the barneverne agency. Alysha has told me she forwarded to you the recent paperwork in the case, and since you received it, your helpful attitude has completely changed. This seems strange to me. The reason for appeal is that the hearing was biased and unfair to the extreme. We presented positive testimony from eleven different witnesses, these included the family doctor, Alysha's counselor, the children's representative, a psychologist as well as family members who have lived with the girls all of their lives. Barneverne presented three witnesses, all connected to the agency. We presented photographs, and had written statements to submit with our testimony. The testimony from all eleven was positive and reinforced Alysha's request to be reunited with her chidren, whom were wrongfully taken. The barneverne presented verbal heresay and false testimony with no proof. Those who were sitting in judgment completely ignored all testimony to the positive, and only accepted the false statements presented by the barneverne. You ask if we can prove this. Very simply. Ask the children themselves. They are nearly twelve years old and fully capable of bearing witness to their own situation. The accusations cited in the determination are slanderous, and not true at all. If you decide to help us, I can provide detailed explanation, as soon as I can see the English translation. I read the Norwegian version, and understand the gist of it, but need the details in English in order to effectively be able to answer. Much of it is included in our statements which Alysha says she sent to you. Did you not read them? Do you really believe we are just "making it up"? I can assure you, we are the victims here, especially the children. These girls are not dirty in any way. They have never been neglected in any way. They have never misbehaved in school or at the playground. They have never been in trouble. The School officials had no complaints either about their behavior or their appearance. That testimony was ignored, just like all the testimony in their favor. To be perfectly honest, this would be our last attempt to get justice here. If you honestly feel that kangaroo court is well and good for Norway, so be it. Then we have no choice but to turn to international justice, because Human Rights are meant to be universal. The idea of a secret hearing behind closed doors where no one is allowed to witness the proceedings or the testimony, and the common practice of keeping no records of the proceeding so that testimony can be scrutinized is a violation of normal judicial practice throughout the civilized world. I will be happy to elaborate if necessary, depending on your response. The fact is we need help. If you ask "why would barneverne do this" I can provide a viable theory, but will save that, again depending on your response. Sincerely, Anne Lise Angel |
Author: | Tone Hauglum [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:59 pm ] |
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Can I answer you in Norwegian or do I have to answer you in English ? |
Author: | alysha.angel [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:37 pm ] |
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you can answer in norsk vis du vil and ill translate it if needed . |
Author: | Tone Hauglum [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:13 pm ] |
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Jeg vil gi deg et meget godt råd, spør din advokat om hvordan den samfunnsøkonomiske driftingen er innen barnevern, versa, den korrupsjonsdriftningen vi ser, via det objektive statetikkmaterialet. Dette er meget enkle spørmål og din/dine barns advokat skal mestre dette. |
Author: | alysha.angel [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:18 pm ] |
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ill ask that on monday when i talk with who ever will take on the case next. thank you. |
Author: | Tone Hauglum [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:35 pm ] |
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Forstår din fortvilelse, advokater som ikke mestre hva samfunnsøkonomi er, kan heller ikke mestre din sak. Det er lettere å gå rett på i å ta dommere i korrupsjon drifting. |
Author: | agrippa [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Samfunnsøkonomi |
Tone Hauglum wrote: Jeg vil gi deg et meget godt råd, spør din advokat om hvordan den samfunnsøkonomiske driftingen er innen barnevern, versa, den korrupsjonsdriftningen vi ser, via det objektive statetikkmaterialet.
Dette er meget enkle spørmål og din/dine barns advokat skal mestre dette. Ikke for å fornærme deg på noen som helst måte, Tone, men på hvilken måte mener du det kan hjelpe Anne Lise og Alysha Angel og de tvangsfjernede tvillingene å spørre advokaten om "hvordan den samfunnsøkonomiske driftingen er innen barnevern"? (hva nå det måtte bety (?)). Anne Lise Angel fremstår som en meget oppegående og intelligent kvinne som beskriver det norske rettssystemet (kangaroo-court) og "barnevernets" herjinger bedre enn de fleste. Faktisk er det den beste beskrivelsen jeg kan erindre å ha lest noensinne. Alysha Angel har blitt fratatt sine veloppfostrede 12-år gamle tvillinger av samme grunn som de aller fleste andre: "Barnevernets" ekstreme maktarroganse. I denne alvorlige og fortvilte situasjonen trenger Angel-familien skikkelige råd, ikke råd som jeg med all respekt å melde oppfatter som kun forsøk på å virke "utdannet" og intellektuell. Hensikten min er som sagt ikke å fornærme deg, Tone, men jeg synes man bør vise litt respekt overfor de ulykkelige menneskene som skriver her på forumet og ikke avspise dem med meningsløsheter. Hvis du vil, må du gjerne beskrive på hvilken måte rådene dine kan hjelpe Alysha Angel, som helt sikker er klinkende klar over at systemet er helråttent og så langt unna rettssikkerhet som det er mulig å komme. Ønsker deg ellers en riktig god jul! ![]() |
Author: | Tone Hauglum [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:01 am ] |
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agrippa hadde du hatt interesse for hva som virkelig skjer i mestepartene av barnevernsakene, ville du ikke kommet med så tåpelige spørsmål. |
Author: | Arild Holta [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:48 am ] |
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Tone Hauglum wrote: agrippa hadde du hatt interesse for hva som virkelig skjer i mestepartene av barnevernsakene, ville du ikke kommet med så tåpelige spørsmål.
Tillegging av motiv er hersketeknikk. På den andre side: Barnevernet er laaaangt i fra samfunnsøkonomisk. Og det er relativt lett å dokumentere. Derfor er det viktig at vi får formulert det godt i opinionsdanningen. Men det er denne tiden som ikke strekker til... |
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