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From: "Stella G. Schumann" <sgs>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:36:24 +0100
Subject: RE: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne
To: AnneLise Angel <ema_nual>
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Cc: Alysha Angel <onfiregirl20>

Ok! I have had more than enough of you. You have just written an
extremely good application for dismissal of me as your daughters
lawyer. Good luck in finding a new lawyer who doesn’t believe it is
right to cooperate with the barnevern and who thinks it is a good
tactic not to admit any mistakes what so ever on your own or the
families behalf.



I hope the twins and your daughters agrees with the way YOU handle
this case on their behalf!



Merry Christmas and good luck (I am sure you will need it)



Med vennlig hilsen



Stella G. Schumann

Advokat MNA



Advokatfirmaet Arntsen
Besøksadresse C. J. Hambros plass 2, inngang A

Postadresse Postboks 7047, St Olavs plass , 0130 Oslo

Telefon 2137 8000

Direkte 2137 8006

Mobil 941 77 379
Telefaks 2155 7684

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Fra: AnneLise Angel [mailto:ema_nual@yahoo.com]
Sendt: 18. desember 2009 02:25
Til: Stella G. Schumann
Emne: Re: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne



Dear Stella G. Schumann:
Please forgive me for interceding here, but I feel I must. I cannot
understand your attitude. You were speaking so loudly on the phone I
heard you from across the room. I don't understand how you can be the
proper lawyer in this case if you are so biased against your "client",
my daughter Alysha. You say to her, she should "be a good girl".
Excuse me, but she has not been otherwise, through this whole case.
You say she must "cooperate with the barneverne", when she has done
nothing but cooperate, from the beginning. It is the barneverne
officials that have been abusive, not Alysha. You don't seem to
understand that they are lying to cover their own mis-behavior in the
situation. If you are getting your information from Mari, the lawyer
in Bergen, you are missing the point. She was dismissed, for very
good reasons, and whatever she is telling you is not the truth in the
matter at all. I could clarify these false allegations against
Alysha, and indeed, against all of us, but you don't seem to be open
to our side of the story. How can you defend the case if you believe
that Alysha is somehow the guilty party?
My sons have done nothing wrong either. Tyggar asked his attorney,
who is regularly a business attorney for Angel Pictures, our company,
to look into the matter regarding Oddman Berge, who has been
particularly abusive to Alysha, and the information he found was
damaging to Mr. Berge, who retaliated of course. The last visit
Alysha had with the girls was cut short by the barneverne officials.
She was physically accosted, and left in fear of bodily harm. They
tried to forcibly take her cell phone from her, pushed her and grabbed
at her. She did not assault them, they assaulted her. It is their
actions that are illegal, and have been from the beginning. Whose
side are you on? Enough said. But, if you want to continue with this
case, you should decide, whose side you are on. Alysha does not
deserve to be reprimanded. She has not done anything wrong. She has
been cooperative the whole time. It is barneverne who is at fault,
has been at fault and is trying to cover their mistakes, as well as
their corrupt financial discrepancies. You think they are infallible?
Around here, they are crooked, greedy and corrupt to the core. But
if the situation is too much for you to handle, that's ok. We fully
intend to take it to the highest level. Our children are being
abused, and we want them back where they are safe, with their stable,
loving family.
Sincerely, Anne Lise Angel



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From: AnneLise Angel <ema_nual>
To: Stella G. Schumann <sgs>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:33:28 AM
Subject: Re: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne

Dear Stella Schumann:
Please forgive me. There was obviously a break down in communications
between you, Alysha and myself. Please try to understand, our
experience with two lawyers in Bergen has been pretty scary. Right
now, Alysha is very upset and confused. She is scared of the
barneverne officials, and with good reason. They have been very
aggressive and intimidating. She is easily overwhelmed and they take
advantage of her vulnerability. She had notice in the mail of an
appointment today at their office and cancelling another scheduled
visit. The last time she had a "visit" she was bullied physically,
pushed around and they tried to take her cell phone, twenty minutes
into the visit, because they didnt like her taking pictures of the
girls to show me since I cannot see them at all. She was afraid of
the physical intimidation, especially in front of the girls. The visit
was terminated. She tried to report the incident to the police, but
they refused to take the report.
The other night, while she was walking home from the local market, a
car tried to intentionally run her down. She got hit, but not hurt
too badly. There was an unexpected passerby, so the car drove quickly
off. Alysha said it looked like the foster father driving, and she
recognized his car but it was too dark to get the license. These
incidents have struck her as extreme, and she is extremely frightened
to meet with them alone. To be truthful, she gets very upset and just
starts crying at the very thought of it.
It is a fact we need help badly. We are very concerned about the
girls. She is not allowed to speak to them or ask them any questions
even if there is a visit. She is not allowed in the foster family
home, she has to stay outside with two or three barneverne officials
overseeing. There is no reason for this extreme measure. As I have
said before, they girls were not at all neglected. It seems the
barneverne is most worried about what the children might have to say.
Alysha is waiting for your call. Please don't give up on us, we are
just really scared.
Sincerely, Anne Lise Angel



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From: Stella G. Schumann <sgs>
To: AnneLise Angel <ema_nual>
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:42:14 AM
Subject: RE: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne

I can say nothing else but that this must be a big mistake. Why you or
Alysha has gotten the impression that I do not believe you, I do not
know, but I know that is a mistake. Why should I believe barnevernet
before you? I know they make a lot of mistakes. I have had several
cases where I see their wrongdoings and that’s why I work with these
cases because help is needed. I have never said I do not believe you.
I might have said that it is necessary to have good evidence based on
facts in order to win over the barnevernet , but I never said I did
not believe you. I must say I am quite shocked by your accusations.
You have never even talked to me. How can you say this?



Your daughter wants me to call her, so I will do that just now. Just
wanted to write you this first to let you know I am not on the
barnevernets side. I am always on the childrens side and on my clients
side.



Med vennlig hilsen



Stella G. Schumann

Advokat MNA



Advokatfirmaet Arntsen
Besøksadresse C. J. Hambros plass 2, inngang A

Postadresse Postboks 7047, St Olavs plass , 0130 Oslo

Telefon 2137 8000

Direkte 2137 8006

Mobil 941 77 379
Telefaks 2155 7684

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Fra: AnneLise Angel [mailto:ema_nual@yahoo.com]
Sendt: 6. desember 2009 20:45
Til: sgs@advokat-arntsen.no
Emne: Alysha Angel vs. Voss Barneverne



To: Stella G. Schumann: From: Anne Lise Angel (Johannessen)
I am Alysha's mother, and writing in her behalf. Re: your
conversations to date.
This is to inform you that Alysha is not alone. The matter of her
twins being taken concerns me, and my sons, every bit as much as it
concerns Alysha. When the girls were taken they (Alora, Esmeralda and
Alysha) were living with me. There was no legal reason for the girls
to be taken. They were in perfect health, happy and well cared for.
I am greatly concerned now with your impression of the situation.
Alysha has told me you do not believe her side of the story, and will
only give credence to barneverne's misrepresentation. I am told you
want proof of the validity of our claims. This can easily be
provided. We have home video footage and photographs of the girls
taken a week before they were forcibly abducted from school. As well
as a chronology of video and photos from birth through all the years
we lived together. We live together now. There was a period of some
months Alysha was on her own due to circumstances beyond our control,
and during that time she was harassed, stalked, threatened and
manipulated by the barneverne agency.

Alysha has told me she forwarded to you the recent paperwork in the
case, and since you received it, your helpful attitude has completely
changed. This seems strange to me. The reason for appeal is that the
hearing was biased and unfair to the extreme. We presented positive
testimony from eleven different witnesses, these included the family
doctor, Alysha's counselor, the children's representative, a
psychologist as well as family members who have lived with the girls
all of their lives. Barneverne presented three witnesses, all
connected to the agency. We presented photographs, and had written
statements to submit with our testimony. The testimony from all
eleven was positive and reinforced Alysha's request to be reunited
with her chidren, whom were wrongfully taken. The barneverne
presented verbal heresay and false testimony with no proof. Those who
were sitting in judgment completely ignored all testimony to the
positive, and only accepted the false statements presented by the
barneverne.
You ask if we can prove this. Very simply. Ask the children
themselves. They are nearly twelve years old and fully capable of
bearing witness to their own situation. The accusations cited in the
determination are slanderous, and not true at all. If you decide to
help us, I can provide detailed explanation, as soon as I can see the
English translation. I read the Norwegian version, and understand the
gist of it, but need the details in English in order to effectively be
able to answer. Much of it is included in our statements which Alysha
says she sent to you. Did you not read them? Do you really believe
we are just "making it up"? I can assure you, we are the victims
here, especially the children. These girls are not dirty in any way.
They have never been neglected in any way. They have never misbehaved
in school or at the playground. They have never been in trouble. The
School officials had no complaints either about their behavior or
their appearance. That testimony was ignored, just like all the
testimony in their favor.
To be perfectly honest, this would be our last attempt to get justice
here. If you honestly feel that kangaroo court is well and good for
Norway, so be it. Then we have no choice but to turn to international
justice, because Human Rights are meant to be universal. The idea of
a secret hearing behind closed doors where no one is allowed to
witness the proceedings or the testimony, and the common practice of
keeping no records of the proceeding so that testimony can be
scrutinized is a violation of normal judicial practice throughout the
civilized world. I will be happy to elaborate if necessary, depending
on your response.
The fact is we need help. If you ask "why would barneverne do this" I
can provide a viable theory, but will save that, again depending on
your response.
Sincerely, Anne Lise Angel

Can I answer you in Norwegian or do I have to answer you in English ?

you can answer in norsk vis du vil and ill translate it if needed .

Jeg vil gi deg et meget godt råd, spør din advokat om hvordan den samfunnsøkonomiske driftingen er innen barnevern, versa, den korrupsjonsdriftningen vi ser, via det objektive statetikkmaterialet.

Dette er meget enkle spørmål og din/dine barns advokat skal mestre dette.

ill ask that on monday when i talk with who ever will take on the case next.
thank you.

Forstår din fortvilelse, advokater som ikke mestre hva samfunnsøkonomi er, kan heller ikke mestre din sak. Det er lettere å gå rett på i å ta dommere i korrupsjon drifting.

Ikke for å fornærme deg på noen som helst måte, Tone, men på hvilken måte mener du det kan hjelpe Anne Lise og Alysha Angel og de tvangsfjernede tvillingene å spørre advokaten om "hvordan den samfunnsøkonomiske driftingen er innen barnevern"? (hva nå det måtte bety (?)).

Anne Lise Angel fremstår som en meget oppegående og intelligent kvinne som beskriver det norske rettssystemet (kangaroo-court) og "barnevernets" herjinger bedre enn de fleste. Faktisk er det den beste beskrivelsen jeg kan erindre å ha lest noensinne.

Alysha Angel har blitt fratatt sine veloppfostrede 12-år gamle tvillinger av samme grunn som de aller fleste andre: "Barnevernets" ekstreme maktarroganse. I denne alvorlige og fortvilte situasjonen trenger Angel-familien skikkelige råd, ikke råd som jeg med all respekt å melde oppfatter som kun forsøk på å virke "utdannet" og intellektuell.

Hensikten min er som sagt ikke å fornærme deg, Tone, men jeg synes man bør vise litt respekt overfor de ulykkelige menneskene som skriver her på forumet og ikke avspise dem med meningsløsheter.

Hvis du vil, må du gjerne beskrive på hvilken måte rådene dine kan hjelpe Alysha Angel, som helt sikker er klinkende klar over at systemet er helråttent og så langt unna rettssikkerhet som det er mulig å komme.

Ønsker deg ellers en riktig god jul!

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Employer, Trade Union or whoever, the law must provide a speedy
remedy. Otherwise the victims will find their own remedy. There
will be anarchy.” Lord Denning (1899-1999)

agrippa hadde du hatt interesse for hva som virkelig skjer i mestepartene av barnevernsakene, ville du ikke kommet med så tåpelige spørsmål.

Tillegging av motiv er hersketeknikk.

På den andre side: Barnevernet er laaaangt i fra samfunnsøkonomisk. Og det er relativt lett å dokumentere. Derfor er det viktig at vi får formulert det godt i opinionsdanningen. Men det er denne tiden som ikke strekker til...

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"Vårt" lysebrune-mørkerøde såkalte barnevern stjeler mennesker
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